Re: [tied] Re: aldric, luis, aldrin = etymology?

At 9:22:36 AM on Saturday, October 23, 2004, tgpedersen wrote:

>>>>>> <Aldricus> is well-attested, along with some variant
>>>>>> Latinizations (e.g., <Aldericus>).

>>>>> The -k- suffix seems to point in the direction of a
>>>>> Nordwestblock name.

>>>> There is no <-k-> suffix here. The deuterotheme is Gmc
>>>> *<ri:ks> 'king', borrowed from Celtic <ri:g->.

>>> I see. And the proterotheme is?

>> Correctly identified by the original querent: *alda- 'old'.

> Old English eald,

More specifically, West Saxon and Kentish; Anglian had
<ald>.

> Old Saxon (Old Low German) 'ald' "old". Why ald- in a name
> in England?

Who said anything about England? <Aldricus> is the usual
Latinization of the Continental Germanic name. If the
question was about the English surname <Aldrick>, matters
are completely different: that's from OE <Ælfri:c> and
<Æðelri:c>, both yielding early ME <Alric>, which with
epenthetic <d> gives <Aldrick>, <Aldridge>, etc.

> Here's my bid:

> Old European *alisa- (> *alira > *alra > English alder,
> with metathesis German 'Erle'; Spanish 'alisa') +
> Nordwestblock -k. So 'alder-man'.

No. OE <alor> (<alra> is the gen.pl.) does not appear as a
prototheme; neither, so far as I know, do its Gmc. cognates.

Brian