Re[4]: [tied] aldric, luis, aldrin = etymology?

From: Brian M. Scott
Message: 34815
Date: 2004-10-22

At 12:41:42 PM on Friday, October 22, 2004, alex wrote:

> it seems there have been a lot of "king"-s then.

No. What we have is a very common deuterotheme *-ri:kaz
(Goth. <-reiks>) that happens to share an etymology with the
'king' word. These are names, not descriptions.

[...]

> Interesting, all the Goths which apparently "went west"
> begin to have an "o" at the end of the name instead of the
> old "us" even if wrote in Latin, and (coincidentaly?)
> after Alaric conquested Rome.

> -Thiudigotho, Sigismundo, Eutharico, Herminefredo

One would have to see the original context: <Sigismundo>,
for instance, may simply be the dative or ablative of an
implied <Sigismunus>. <Thiudigoto>, however, is a different
story: the name is feminine, a normal feminine n-stem in
<-o:>.

> Should it indeed be "king"?

Yes.

> Between "Hermanaricus and Vetericus are 4 rulers which do
> not have in tehir name the component "ricus" :
> Hermanaricus, Gesimundus, Hunimundus rex, Thorismud,
> Berimud, Vetericus

So? Again, these are names, not descriptions. One of the
basic principles of Germanic name-giving, already evident at
this early date, is inheritance of name themes. Thus, the
children of an Ermanareiks are likely to have names in
<Ermana-> or (if male) <-reiks>. The literal meaning of the
names was already secondary. A few centuries later the
original meanings of some of the themes had even been
forgotten -- we know, because we have the incorrect
etymologies suggested by contemporaries -- and dithematic
names were constructed on an almost purely combinatorial
basis, leading to such oddities as <Hathuwigis>
'battle-battle'.

Talan