Re: [tied] Re: Derivations 15 sun

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 34780
Date: 2004-10-20

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:02:39 +0000, Abdullah Konushevci
<a_konushevci@...> wrote:


>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:05:23 +0000, Abdullah Konushevci
>> <a_konushevci@...> wrote:
>>
>> >The root of word <eagle> is n-steme noun *H3er-(e)n-, that yields
>>
>> >*or-(e)n-. attested in Hitt. nom. haras `id.', acc. hara-na-an,
>gen.
>> >ha-ra-na-as, that explains the presence of laryngal /*H3/.
>>
>> The fate of initial *h3- in Hittite is disputed. It usually
>> yields 0-. Hitt. h- in haras, haranas can therefore be
>> construed as evidence for *h2-. The Ablaut would then be
>> h2o-, h2e-, comparable to that of wódr, wédnos etc.
>>
>
>Dear Miguel,
>Now I am cited from an article of Frederik Kortlandt:
>
>INITIAL LARYNGEALS IN ANATOLIAN
>FREDERIK KORTLANDT
>Elsewhere I have argued that initial *H2- and *H3- yielded h- before
>*-e- and zero before *-o- in Armenian and Albanian and suggested
>that the same development may be established for Hittite, e.g. harp-
> `separate' < *H3erbh- versus ark- `mount' < *H3org .h-ey-, Gr.
>orphanós, órkhis (cf. Kortlandt 1984: 42). The new monographs by
>Kimball (1999) and Rieken (1999) have strengthened my view
>that this is indeed correct.
>In his classic study of *H3 in Anatolian, Melchert lists seven
>examples of ha- <
>*H3e- (1987: 21):
>(1) haran- `eagle' < *H3eron-, Gr. órnis;
>(2) harp- `change one's group' < *H3erbh-, Latin orbus;
>(3) happar `transaction', happinant- `rich' < *H3ep-, Latin opus;
>(4) hastai `bone(s)' < *H3est(H2)oi, Gr. ostéon;
>(5) hark- `perish' < *H3erg-, Old Irish orgaid `slays';
>(6) hawi- `sheep' < *H3ewi-, Latin ovis;
>(7) haliya- `bow', halhaltumar `corner' < *H3el-, Gr. oléne `elbow'.

I think that a number of these (haran-, hastai, hawi- at
least) reflect Ablaut *h2o- > o- / *h2e- > a-, with later
generalisation of one vowel or another (usually o-, but e.g.
Celtic has a- in "bone", Indo-Iranian a- [not a:- < o-] in
"sheep").

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
mcv@...