Re: [tied] Re: Derivations 15 sun

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:05:23 +0000, Abdullah Konushevci
<a_konushevci@...> wrote:

>The root of word <eagle> is n-steme noun *H3er-(e)n-, that yields >
>*or-(e)n-. attested in Hitt. nom. haras `id.', acc. hara-na-an, gen.
>ha-ra-na-as, that explains the presence of laryngal /*H3/.

The fate of initial *h3- in Hittite is disputed. It usually
yields 0-. Hitt. h- in haras, haranas can therefore be
construed as evidence for *h2-. The Ablaut would then be
h2o-, h2e-, comparable to that of wódr, wédnos etc.

>The ending –s could be added later, as testifies got. ara < *H3ero(n).

The Hitt. nom. haras is secondary (it subsituted earlier
*h2óro:l). Gothic ara is an n-stem, but that doesn't prove
much in Germanic. The u-stem ON o,ru < *arnuz is more
interesting, as it reflects the old accusative *h2órlm. ~
h2órnm. (> *arnum).

The Basque word eagle is <arrano>, from earlier *aranno (-n-
is lost in Basque, -nn- remains as -n-). The geminate -nn-
suggests a borrowing from an Indo-European form still with
*-ln- or *-nn- (cf. Gmc. sunn- < *sh2uln-).

>Snk. <irar> (and <ilar> with dissimilation r…r > l…r from *iroros <
>*ororos with shift of /*o/ to /*i/.

That's Old Irish <irar>, <ilar>. Initial e- (as in Baltic)
is strange, but may perhaps be due to dissimilation at the
stage *oro:l > *ero:l.

>OChS has <orilu>, rus <orël> `eagle' from *orilos. In Baltic branch
>we find lit. <erelis> with dialectal form <are:lis>, pruss.
><arelis>), Latv. <e:rglis>, all with meaning `eagle'.
>In Armenian Bible text we find <oror> for Greek <laron> for hebraic
><shahaf> `crow'. (Bjorvand-Lindeman, VAEO, pp. 1089-1090.)
>I wander if the Alb. <orë> `fate', <orëprerë> `unlucky', <njeri me
>orë> `lucky man', <trim me orë> `brave man', < i ha orën> `to make
>someone weak', <Ora e Kelemendit, e Shalës…> `The Patron of the
>tribe Clementis, Shala…' (see <aar> in German compound
><Edelaar/Adler>, <Fischarr>, <Mausaar>) could also take part in this
>root, taking into account that birds name are related to fate (cf.
>*kob- `be succesful', that derives in Eng. hap, happen, happy, but
>in Sl. <kobH `(mis)fortune, augurium', <koban> `ghoulish', entered
>also in other Balkan languages; Alb. <shkabë> ` black eagle',
>probably contaminated by *kopso- `id.', Sl. <kobac> `accipiter
>nisus' .).
>
>Konushevci

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