Re: [tied] Re: The role of analogy, alliteration and sandhi in coun

From: alex
Message: 34692
Date: 2004-10-16

tgpedersen wrote:
> A loose idea (as usual): Suppose the substrate language of NW Europe
> (Pre-IE Nordwestblock) had dialect variations p/kW. That result in
> doublet (p/kW) loanwords in the successor IE languages (example:
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/pd.html , check the Cushitic
> forms, and *panna/*kanna?), perhaps to the point where the
> Sprachgef�hl demanded "resolution", preferring p-forms over kW-forms
> or vice versa, whereupon the same preference spread to th rest of the
> language? Is this a good way to explain the Irish 'cothrige'-forms?
>
> Torsten


I don't believe in a substrate of NW-Europe, Pre-IE Nordwestblock as being
the factor for this cahnge. We see the alternance in Celtic ( Q verus P), we
see the alternance in East Of Europea ( Anicent Illiric/Thracian
Ulkiana/Ulpiana), we stil have this alternance living in Rom so "NW-Europe"
is not singular for a such afirmation. Apparently the "sprachgef�hl" should
fit more better but it will have the disavantage of letting uncovered the
"scientific" aspect of the thing. The phonetic change of "kW" to "p" cann be
just one way I think:

-the lost of velar and consonating of the frontal "w" to a clean labial,
thus kW > W > b/p

Alex