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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Âàäèì Ïîíàðÿäîâ" <ponaryad@...>
wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Âàäèì Ïîíàðÿäîâ"
<ponaryad@...>
> wrote:
> >> >>>Does anyone have a word for "Nature" (as
> >> >> > in "natural order", or a "law of nature", or "what is
natural
> for
> >> >> > man") from any language that was not influenced by Greek?
>
> >> Turkish <tabiat> (borrowed from Arabic).
>
> > Isn't that far too late to be free of Greek (intellectual)
influence?
>
> > Richard.
>
>
> Unfortunately I do not know what the "internal shape" of this word
in Arabic
> is. (Does its primary root mean something like "to grow" or "to be
born"?)
> But it seems very probable to me that the "nature" as a concept is
a product
> of the Greek civilization, and thus the Greek influence that you
are
> speaking about do exist always in the words of such meaning, even
if their
> "internal shape" is radically different.
>
Tabi-Y-at, Arabic for Nature, essence, quality, property, genius,
complexion, temperament, constitution, humour, instinct, temper,
disposition.
Probable root is 'Tab', sweet, agreeable, good, lawful.
Tabi-Y-i, natural....Tab-Y, nature, genius.
My "Y" is the ayin.
Actually the initial question seem to indicate a faith that it was
the Greeks who instituted 'order' or natural order (of things).
Perhaps true, but perhaps putting order from a previous order of
things. I mean a reversal of what was otherwise Chaos. And from the
other thread it seems Artorius is "order" too. Shield or spear?
I always imagine Chaos as the Greek reversal of the Egyptian akh and
the Arabic khair. It goes well with so many other seeming reversals
(Erebus, Nyx, Tartarus etc...).
Going back to Tabi-Y-at, I was wondering if it was related to the
other T-(M)-b- forms of many languages which has the glosses of
tomb, temple, mound, time, egg, all, static, nature, natural,
native. Perhaps also related to (X)-t-r/b. Where X is anything.
E.g. for the glosses natural, (nature, native)
Latin "naturalis", "nativus",
Japanese "tennen"
Thai "Tam Tham!-Ma"
Vietnamese "Tu-nhien", "that"
Loreto