Re: [tied] Etymology of Gr. SkutHe:s 'Scythian'

From: Joao Simoes Lopes Filho
Message: 33060
Date: 2004-06-03

How about SKYTHE:S < *SKHUTHE: < *(Z)gHug(W)He:- or (Z)gHug^H-, cf.
Gog, and Sanskir Guha "name of a forest tribe and a savage hunter
mentioned at Mahabharata". Perhaps Akkadian azguza fits in it.


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
>
> --- Sergejus Tarasovas <S.Tarasovas@...> wrote:
> > > From: Āąäčģ Ļīķąš˙äīā
> > [mailto:ponaryad@...]
> >
> >
> > > I do not know if Gr. skutHe:s is really connected
> > with Old
> > > Pers. saka-, but in Old Persian inscriptions (also
> > in
> > > Akkadian and Elamite versions) a form _skudra_ is
> > present
> > ...
> >
> > Yes, I know.
> >
> > >also in Akkadian
> >
> > But cf. Akk. as^guzai, is^kuzai 'Scythians'.
> >
> > > Phonetically Skudra is much closer to Skuthe:s
> > > than Saka, isn't it?
> >
> > But sku:ca- (or sku:ça-) would look like a better
> > candidate (if it really exists). Why, for one, would
> > the Greeks just not render the name as *Skudrai? On
> > the other hand, /tH/ looks like a probable
> > substitution for a foreign s(h)ibilant affricate.
>
> *****GK: Way back in 1872 V. Yurgevich had argued that
> "Borysthenes" and "Danapris" designated the same "
> river+river" geographical point, with transposition of
> parts and shifted sounds. Thus "Dana-pris" =
> (tr.)"Thenes-borys" (one of those situations where a
> river was known by different names at different
> points, here both "Dana" or something like in the
> south and "Borys" or something like it further north.
> The point being that Greek "tH" could be the
> equivalent of non Greek "d" (Greek "t" obviously
> could: cf. Tanais). If Yurgevich was right, then
> perhaps the "tH" in Skuthes might be the equivalent of
> a "d" pointing to "Skud-" Would this lead us to
> Skudra? Or to something else? In any caes the meaning
> of the postulated "Skud**" is sometimes given as
> "archer", "bowman". Does this sound plausible?******
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