Re: [tied] Bader's article on *-os(y)o

From: enlil@...
Message: 32777
Date: 2004-05-19

Miguel:
> *dá:m "house" > dóm-
> G. *da:m-ás > *dámas > *déms.

Um no. There are two coexisting roots for "house", one being
athematic. Perhaps the athematic stem is reconstructable as a
root noun *de:m-s, although 1,110 days ago Piotr cited *do:m.
That post is located here...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/7781

The other is thematic (*dómo-s). The athematic stem has genitive
*demós whereas the stem *dems-, I figure, is only a contracted
part of a compound *dems-potis "lord of the house". Contracted
because the stress has been withdrawn from the true athematic
genitive *demós onto the second stem *poti-.


> The "dog" word seems to be a "collective", where the long
> suffix vowel also causes stress retraction:
>
> nom. *k^awá:n-z > *k^wó:n
> acc. *k^awá:n-m > *k^wónm.
> gen. *k^awa:n-ás > *k^wéns ~ *k^úns (regularized to *kúnos
> Ved. s'únas).

Look, Miguel, it's one thing to have your own theories on preIE
but quite another to lie about Reconstructed IE so blatantly to
twist Rob's poor noodle. The genitive is just *kunós, period. It
hasn't been "regularized" specifically in Vedic any more than it
has in Greek where *kunos is also reflected for everyone to see).
Plus, it has accent on the _final_ syllable, not the initial like
you've typed, because it is an athematic stem and they tend to
have wandering accents.

Rob, check out the link here:
http://www.geocities.com/caraculiambro/Caraculiambro/Stress.html

It gives a good overview of non-Miguelian IE grammar.

There is no **kwens nor **kuns in the IE IEists understand. This
is just based on idle assumptions and no attestations.


= gLeN