[tied] Re: Fibulas Almgren group VI

From: tgpedersen
Message: 32668
Date: 2004-05-17

> > > > > > abstract:
> > > > > > "
> > > > > > The single-piece fibula with inverted foot
> > and
> > > > chord
> > > > > > in high position
> > > > > > (A VI, 1a; pl VII) developed from the La
> > Tène II
> > > > > > fibula. They were
> > > > > > produced in North Pontic workshops in the
> > first
> > > > > > century AD,
>
> *****GK: Does Ionita have something additional to say
> about these "North Pontic workshops"? In the
> literature, such references usually mean that the
> object(s) in question was (were) made by masters
> residing in a North Pontic CITY, such as e.g. Olbia
> (Borysthenes), Panticapaeum, etc., etc..

Those are the places he mentions as possible site for the workshops,
yes.

>The products
> then made their way into various ethnic hinterlands by
> way of trading networks.******

This is the assumption since we supposedly don't have a migration to
account for the journey.

>
> and soon
> > > > > > spread to the lower Volga, the Caucasus, and
> > the
> > > > > > Central Dniepr
> > > > > > (Zarubineck Culture).
>
> ****GK: If Almgren VI originated as above, then it is
> not an ethnically definable object. The Lower Volga,
> the Caucasus, the Central Dnipro, were inhabited by
> different populations. In order to argue that A VI was
> carried by "population X" to "area Y" you need more
> evidence at both ends than just the fibula. But we
> have already discussed this in connection with
> "specifically identifiable" gravesites. We have none
> for the "Odin people" AFAIK.******
>
>
On the contrary. If Almgren VI is found on the Crimea, at Rostov-on-
the-Don and in the Caucasus in the kingdom of Vani that matches well
with a united Asir-Vanir people later moving into Nortern Europe.

Torsten