Re: [tied] *g'(h)- > d as aberrant outcome

Hello ,
I said :
"Once again more probable we arrive earlier..."

I want only to complete that "we arrive earlier" but not with a proto-
form g'e that is not possible AT ALL...for this word.


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> Hello Piotr,
>
> > No. If you go back to my earlier postings on Albanian fricatives,
> you'll
> > find that Alb. sh developed from *s in post-Roman times.
>
> Yes I know, but this means also before ( or latest during) the
> first Slavic Loans ...because during the Slavic loans we have s->s
> both in Romanian or Albanian.
>
> So we are here even before Alb . s->sh have been started, that
> means somewhere before 600 AC.
> This means that the Romanian loan (if it is a loan) has to be
> borrowed before this date. (and it could be just before but more
> probable long before...for this reason the substratual theory fit
> better in my opinion).
>
>
> The second issue that you have is to explain next today Alb. G'

for

> Romanian 'ghe' (knowing that we are somewhere before 600AC).
>
> A proto-form that we know for that period is:
> Proto *gl - Rom. gl' (later Rom. ghe) - Alb. gj
>
> But you didn't indicate a proto-form *gl...
>
> On the other hand, a proto-form : *g'e would give toRom. ge (g^e)
> (see Latin Words)
>
> So trying to locate in time an Albanian G' for a Romanian 'ghe'
> both of them not derived from a proto-form *gl seems difficult to

be

> done in Roman Times...
>
> Once again more probable we arrive earlier...
>
> Best Regards,
> marius alexandru
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> > 09-05-2004 18:09, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Piotr,
> > > You said :
> > >
> > >
> > >>If that's right, the word was borrowed when the Albanian reflex
> of
> > >
> > > *j- was
> > >
> > >>something like *G'-.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > If that's right this had to be in Roman Times (if not

earlier)

> > > because we have here for Alb. sh for Rom. s.
> >
> > No. If you go back to my earlier postings on Albanian fricatives,
> you'll
> > find that Alb. sh developed from *s in post-Roman times.
> >
> > Piotr