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AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Smith"
<mytoyneighborhood@...> wrote:
--- In
AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com, "John <jdcroft@...>"
<jdcroft@...> wrote:
lookwhoscross-eyednow@... continued:
> "In the tomb of Amenuser, the usual lines of gift bearers is
shown. Based on the wavy locks down the back of one individual, the
open kilt, bare chest, the bull head objectwhich he offers, he could
be a Cretan. All that is said of his origin is "spoils which the
might of His Majesty brought back from the lands in the north of
Asia
and the Islands in the Midst of the Sea." The term Keftiu is not
used. There is no testimony here that this man, who has the
appearance of a Cretan, is from Keftiu."
We need to be careful here. As we say on this list, absence of
evidence is not evidence of absence.
Regarding
> "...the tomb of Rekhmire...five rows of tribute bearers are
shown...of these, the men in the second row are significant. "Coming
in peace by the chiefs of Keftiu and the islands in the midst of the
sea" says the caption. Each man wears a kilt and sandals but is
bare
from the waist up. These kilts are not those well known from Crete
and are closer to Syrian kilts.
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In fact these seem to be Mycenaean kilts, as the tomb of Rekhmire
shows that Cretian cod-pieces were originally painted, but the
images
were plastered over and Mycenaean kilts painted in on their place.
It would appear that the fall of Knossos to Achaean Greeks from the
mainland took place during the reign of Thurmose III, leading to the
changes in the tomb of Rekhmire.
When you contine
> Their hair is formed in long locks down the back, such as seen in
some illustrations of Cretans, but long locks are shown in
illustrations of some Hittites and Syrians. Note the god from
Ugarit
in Syria, Figure 16-3. These visitors bring an interesting variety
of goods most of which are not particularly Cretan.."
>
There were Cretian colonies in Ugarit, amongst the Hittites and as
far as Mari on the Euphrates. The depiction of Cretians amongst
these peoples just portrays the wide nature of late Bronze Age trade
amongst these peoples.
> "In the south of Egypt, at Kom el Hatan, Amenhotep III had a
temple
constructed. Some statue bases survive, and sculpted in a
horizontal
row on them are a series of place-names. On one base, a vertical
dividing line is engraved. Written to the left of that divider are
twelve place names. On one base, a vertical dividing line is
engraved. These are locatedin Crete and Greece and include the
names
Amnisos, Knossos, Mycenae...To the right of the divider, only two
names appear, Keftiu and Tinay. For those who insist that Keftiu is
Crete, these names to the right of the divider are "headings" for
all
the list of names to the left. That would seem to place Keftiu with
Greece or Crete. And What of Tinay? A somewhat forced explanation
is that it might stand for the Freek Danaoi, the Danaans. More
reasonably, however, is that the short list to the right of the
divider has nothing to do with that on the left. Keftiu would not
relate to Greece or Crete. Tinay couldas easily refer to Danuna of
Adana."
>
There is evidence to suggest that Danuna of Adana only recieved this
name as a result of the Late Bronze Age collpase. The Karatepe
inscriptions show that the Danuna were associated with Mopsus of
Colophon, about whom I have written much on this list. Certainly
the
area of Adana is also the area of Late Helladic IIIC pottery, of the
same syle as is found amongst the Philistine area, and which
originated from the Helladic area of the Aegean.
> to be continued in one more e-mail, so my time doesn't expire....
I look forward to your next post. By the way, what is your name. I
cannot keep calling you lookwhoscross-eyednow@...
Warm regards
John
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