Re: [tied] Bader's article on *-os(y)o

On Sat, 01 May 2004 10:18:58 +0200, Mate Kapovic
<mkapovic@...> wrote:

>> >Miguel wrote:
>> If you can find a Celtiberian demonstrative masc. gen.
>> *sosyo, that would in itself contradicty my theory (I would
>> definitely expect *so). All the forms I've been able to
>> trace are a nom. n. <soz>, a dat. <somui>, what looks like a
>> loc. <somei>, a gen.pl. <soisum>. From *yos- we also have
>> nom. <ios>, acc. <iom>.
>
><iomui> is also attested...

Yes.

>I don't think that *sosyo is attested in Celtiberian, but it is attested in
>Gallic <sosio> (does that affect your theory on -i: < *-osyo?).

Since Gaul. <sosio> is NA n. sg. "this"(*), and not a
genitive, it suggests that whatever the Gaulish G.sg. form
was, it probably wasn't *sosyo.

(*) BUSCILLA SOSIO LEGASIT IN ALIXIE MAGALU
"Buscilla placed _this_ in Alisia for Magalos"

>> If *<sosyo wiri:> was analogically altered to *<sosyo wiro>,
>> why then didn't *<sosyo Koitunos> "of Koitu here" become
>> *<sosyo Koituno>?
>
>It could be explained by the connection of o- and a:-stems, like
>analogically Ab sg -az in a:-stems from o-stem -uz (I am not sure if this -z
>is attested in other declensional types like in Latin, if it is this is not
>a good example).

Stifter's 'Einführung in das Kontinentalkeltische' lists
Abl.sg. o-stem -uz (karaluz), a:-stem -az (kontebiaz), i-stem
-iz (bilbiliz), u-stem -auez? (karauez), C-stem -ez
(sekobirikez, barskunez).

>They are also pairs in adjectives (*newos - *neweh2 etc.)
>so it could be argued that the analogy affected only the closest paradigm
>(o-stems).

Not the closest from a phonological point of view. It's a
small step from *<sosyo Koitunos> to *<sosyo Koituno>
compared with the leap from *<sosyo wiri:> to *<sosyo wiro>.
Even if the small step wasn't taken at first, but the big
leap was, it remains a mystery how an o-stem G.sg. -o, once
established, would have failed to influence the C-stem
gen.sg. -os.

We don't have that problem if the o-stem G.sg. was in fact
-o:, with a long vowel.


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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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