Re: Whence Grimm?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> >(GK) Now as to the missing
> > archaeological evidence of Sarmatian migration into
> > Bastarnia. (Pay attention) It has been pointed out to
> > you repeatedly (I did it, and most recently Piotr)
> > that it is not up to those who do not accept your
> > baseless contentions to "prove" them wrong: you are
> > methodologically not entitled to make them, and it is
> > up to you to advance at least something which might
> > back a hypothesis. You can't simply fantasize and then
> > proclaim "disprove this!". This is an infantile
> > approach. The sooner you realize this the better. But
> > I'm not holding my breath... We can speak of a
> > Sarmatian migration into Bastarnia in the 1rst c. BC
> > as soon as sites proving it are discovered. Until that
> > is done, we are not entitled to use this romantic
> > fantasy (and that's all it is at the moment)as part
> > and parcel of a serious scientific argumentation. Do
> > you understand what I'm saying? Strain the little grey
> > cells a little.
> >
>
> (TP)I can see you are beginning make a case for me being silenced

again.

*****GK: Premature paranoia, but interesting*******

>
> (TP)I have never claimed that there would be separate Sarmatian

sites to

> be found among the Przeworsk.

*****GK: One needs much less (if by site you mean something more
substantial than a grave). Just enough to identify a particular
burial as "Sarmatian", or as of someone "of Sarmatian culture". But I
confess that I'm starting to worry about what exactly you are
claiming. You seem to change perspectives frequently. I thought that
you were arguing that your Odinist contingent initially settled among
the Bastarnae, not among the proto-Vandals.******

We don't see that in southern Jastorf,

> what we see is a foreign people moving in among the locals and

taking

> over (since they also supply a small number of very rich inhumation
> graves).

*****GK: Excuse me, but from your presentations based on Kuhn, the
point seems to be that these graves can be identified as Przeworsk
infiltrations into a southern Jastorf environment. He must have some
clear material evidence for this, does he not?*****

There is exactly the same pattern among the various

> Przeworsk cultures: A sudden increase in the number of graves, a
> distinct difference (Zäsur) from the previous graves, and the
> appearence of a small number of rich inhumation graves.

*****GK: So the analogy here would be that these graves have a
material culture that enables one to claim that they are the burials
of people of "Sarmatian" origin (if you claim that your Odinist
contingent went directly to proto-Vandalia), or or people
of "Sarmatian" or mixed "Sarmatian/Poeneshti-Lukashovka" culture (if
you claim that these newcomers into Vandalia came from Bastarnia
where they spent a few years before moving. Ditto re their presence
in Bastarnia: you need evidence of graves which can be identified as
being "Sarmatian" infiltrations just as Kuhn (per your statements)
could identify Przeworsk elements among the southern Jastorf. Now I
say that you have nothing of the sort. So what is the basis of
your "hypothesis"? There is none, so it is not a hypothesis at all
but a flatus vocis on behalf of a romantic fantasy.******