[tied] Re: Eggs from birds and swift horses (was: the palatal sham)

From: elmeras2000
Message: 31033
Date: 2004-02-14

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Piotr Gasiorowski"
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

I hate to be critical about constructive attempts to expand and
improve upon my o-infix theory. This is already more of a positive
response than I have been seen before. I do feel grateful, but some
things just don't permit me to accept certain suggestions. Also, I
would like to avoid compromising the theory by using it to explain
too much.

> [...] *CLeh roots are relatively rare, but
> *pleh1- has just the right shape, hence my hypothesis that <polló-
> is a
> valid example -- a thematised and *R-infixed derivative of *pleh1-
mn.;
> honestly, I can't see what else it could be [...].

I do not see any good morphological point in making polló- IE *polnó-
, nor in deriving such a form from older *pOlno- with the o-infix. I
know of no other cases where a suffixal -u- of strong cases is being
replaced by -lo- in weak cases. I do know of an exactly parallel
distribution of the allomorphs méga- and megálo-, so I would assume
it is the same suffix, i.e. *-lo-, not *-no-. Also, I am not
sure /ll/ is the regular reflex of *-ln- in Greek. And, by the
testimony of the other examples, an infix formation from *pleh1-mn
should be accented *pólno-.

> And you _can_ have it "the other way round" too. Consider *h2áug-
es-
> 'growth, power' and its derivatives. In the consonantal skeleton *
{h2wgs}
> the optimal place for *R insertion is right in the middle: *(h2)
wRgs -->
> *woks-, and sure enough that's what we get in *woks-eje-, Gmc.
*waxsan-,
> etc., vs. *h2aug-, *h2ug-ró-, *h2áug-jos-, *h2áug-mon-. (I know Gk.
> a(w)ekso: is difficult to account for, but since it's a variant of
<aukso:>
> I'm not losing hope yet).

I am not sure we should identify the -s- of the s-stem (adjectival
abstract) *H2áwg-os with the -s- of the verbal root *H2wegs-, which
is an extended form of *H2ewg-; it depends of course on
what "extended form" means, which I suppose we don't know (though
Kümmel's guess at an inchoative -s- in LIV makes excellent sense).
It seems to be a phonotactic rule that extension by /s/ of a root of
the shape *CeRC yields a root with full grade *CReCs; Schindler
presented that in a review of Anttila's Schwebeablaut. Thus, from a
root with expected - and established - full grade *H2wegs-, we
experience no surprise when the causative is found to be *(H2)wogs-
éye-ti, and I see no reason to enter a rule of metathesis concerning
the placing of the o-element.

Jens