[tied] Romanian verbal paradigm (Re: Late Proto Albanian...)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham"
<richard.wordingham@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "altamix" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> > IV a dormi: dormi-am, dormi-ai,dormi-a, dormi-am, dormi-atzi,
> dormia
>
> You'd do better to analyse the I and II 2s as purta-ai and vedea-ai.

to see a special thing or why?

> While one might reasonably expect Latin to have the imperfect
> *dormi:bam, such forms did not catch on, and the actual form was
> _dormie:bam_.

was this "b" a kind of a very
short "w" which could dissapper between /e/ and /a/?
The "dormie:bam" will explain the actualy "dormeam" and not "dormiam".

> > unshorted forms with an "ã" between usualy droped consonant of
> > participium and paradigm of Simpl. Prf. specialy in plural forms:
> > purtatãrãtzi, vãzutãrãtzi, dormitãrãm, etc.
>
> This is nothing like standard Romanian! The perfect stem and past
> participle are in principle independent, even though they do
> influence one another.

I just say what I see. I don't have a book here where to read from I
just analysed by myself the tenses and one cannot deny the relation
between participium and Simple Perfect and Plsq. Perfect
I did not kept any eye on the etymology just on the way the actual
facts are; the next step to do for me was to verify the Latin
grammair here.

>
> > As rule, it appears clear. Simple perfect is made by participium

of

> > the root + paradigms
> > The same is for Plusque Perfect:
> >
> > Simpl. Perf= root & -i, - shi, - a, - rãm, - rãtzi, -
> > rã
> > Plsqp. Perf= root & -sem, -seshi, -se, -serãm, -serãtzi,
> > -serã
>
> Omit the -a for the 3s of the perfect. You don't need it for your
> explanation, and it has no place historically.

Right. there is no "a" but "V" from the participium which is the same
vowel before "-se" of 3s plsq. perfect.

Thank you for the rest of explanations which are indeed very
interesting.

> Richard.

Alex