Re: Late

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Moretti"
> <marcomoretti69@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > German <Late>, <Lite> (note odd vowel alternation) "serf(?)",
> known
> > > mainly from Lower Saxony, ie Nordwestblock; Medieval Latin
> > <laetus>,
> > > thus *lait-, *le:t- (claims Kuhn). He further compares with
> > > Langobardian (in Latin) <aldius>, <aldio>.
> >
> > Why Medieval Latin? The term /laetus/ is already attested in

Marcus

> > Aurelius' times. It's of Etruscan origin: in inscriptions we
> > have /lethe/ 'serf'. The Langobardian item is puzzling and I

have

> no
> > good explanation for it, but it can very difficult be related

with

> > Latin laetus.
> >
>
> I've seen it explained as a loan from a Celtic *le:t- with loss
> of /p/ from *ple:t-.
>
> Do you have a quote of the early occurrence of Latin <laetus>, it
> would be interesting to see the geographical and sociological

context?

>
> Other than that, it's possible to fit all the facts into Kuhn's
> world: an Italic *le:t- arrives in Tuscany with an Italic

immigration

> wave from Westphalia, and gets overlaid by the Etruscans arriving

in

> Tuscany.
>
>
> Torsten

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If we assume that Lat, diphthong /ae/ is derived from /ai/, such
alternation of this diphthong with long stressed /e:/ was also
noticed by Krahe: Dais-it-iatai pop. Dafür auch De:sitiates (gen.
sg. Dessidatou). Ein entsprechnder Wechsel von /ai/ und /e:/ ist mir
aus anderen Namen nicht bekannt. (ABGN, 85).

Konushevci