Re: Late Proto Albanian *3 /dz/ = Early Proto Romanian *3 /dz/

From: tgpedersen
Message: 30645
Date: 2004-02-04

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<a_konushevci@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> > 04-02-04 07:37, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> >
> > > I make this reply to make clear that change /k/ > /p/ is
present
> > > from ancient times, as in Albanian, as in Romanian and, in one
> way
> > > or other to satisfy my friend George Knysh that Albanian are
> also
> > > descendants of Poionians, as well as of Dardanians and all
other
> > > Illyrian tribes.
> >
> > "Proving" that reflexes *kW and *p alternate Albanian by
> suggesting that
> > they perhaps did in the almost entirely enigmatic and hard-to-
> classify
> > dialects of ancient Paeonia or Dardania is a novel methodological
> > proposal. You seem to be unable to define "Illyrian" in the first
> place
> > -- you just lump together all the little-known languages spoken
in
> the
> > area in ancient times and take it to be axiomatically true that
> they
> > _must_ have been closely related to one another as well as being
> > ancestral to Albanian. The resulting notion of "Illyrian" is
vague
> and
> > as easy to play with as plasticine, but it's completely useless
> because
> > of its meaninglessness.
> >
> > Piotr
> ************
> No, there was something much interesting, regarding the Illyrian
and
> the Albanian: the outcome of PIE diphthong /*au/ > /a/ (cf.
> Taulantia > Talantia; Ausankalie > Asankalis, Bausta > Basta.
> Furthermore, as Krahe claims, /au/ is a prefix and preverb too,
fact
> that I have prove, discussing the first part of demonstrative
> pronouns in Albanian: <ai> `he', <ajo> `she', <ata/ato> `they',
> accepted by Mr. Jens Elmegaard RASMUSSEN as only valid explanation.
>


Now _that_ I find interesting, since words of Schrijver's 'language
of bird names', which I suspect is identical to Krahe's 'Old
European' have a 'detachable' initial /a/-.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29898

But in that case perhaps it should be /a/ > /au/, or have PIE roots
been identified in the placenames you mention?

Torsten