Re: [tied] Re: Late Proto Albanian *3 /dz/ = Early Proto Romanian

alex wrote:
< something about Latin "di/di:", "ti/ti:", "ci/ci:" and the actual reflexes
in Albanian>

It ought we should see the comportament of the groups "de/de:", "te/te:",
"ce/ce:" as well for better overview.
I am not sure if there is an another Latin vowel beside "o:" which should
give a frontal vowel in Albanian.
Since I know just about Latin "o:" which is supposed to have given "e" in
Albanian, I consider it is welcome to see the reflexes of
"do:", "to:","co:" in Albanian as well.

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The groups "de/de:"
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-in initial position, there is just "de:" and no "de"; the group "de:" is
reflected as "d�" in Albanian
de:tegere > d�ftoj
de:side:rare > d�shiroj
-inside of the words we find both groups "de" and "de: ". Their reflexes are
"0"
de:si:de:rare > d�shiroj
fide:s > fe
ludere > luej
tradere > truej
-at the end of the words we have just group "de" which is to find in two
words only. These are as follow:
laude > laft
vir(i)de > verdh�

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The groups "te/te:"
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-in initial position, we find boths groups "te" and "te:". The "te" is
represented trough Alb. "d�, qe, t�, te, ti" and the group "de:" is
represented as "tje". The only off-side word which shous an another reflex
( te > tu) should be explained other way ( presumabely the Latin etymon does
not matches at all).
testimo:niare > d�shmoj
termine > qerm
tempora > t�mbl�
templum > tempull
t(a)enia > tenj�
terrae mo:tu > t�rmet
tegmen > tim�n
temo:ne > timue
te:gula > tjegull�
terebellum > turjel�
-inside of the words we find out that there are both groups "te" and "te:"
and it seems that beside several sincopation of some vowels, the "t" as such
remained there with the exception of "pus". The "d" reflex of "t" in
"p�ndohem" is the regular reflex in Albanian after nasal.
de:tegere > d�ftoj
compater > kumt�r
luteum > luts�
p(o)enite:re > p�ndohem
pr(a)ebiter > prift
puteu > pus
potesta:te > pusht�t
accipiter >qift
vetere > vjet�r
-at the end of the word we find just the group "te" and no "te:". The reflex
of it is "t" with the exception of "v�rtet�" (maybe a later loan?)
potesta:te > pusht�t
ci:vita:te > qutet
re:te > rret
sanita:te > sh�ndet
verita:te > v�rtet�
virtu:te > v�rtyt
volunta:te > vullnet

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The groups "ce/ce:"
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-in initial position, we find both groups "ce" and "ce:". For the group "ce"
the reflexes are "qa,qe" and before nasal "qi". The only one word with a
long "ce:" in initial position ihas the reflex "qe" as well. The
irregularity should be seen in the pair "c(h)ersydru > kulshd�r" but
presumabelly the supposed Latin etynom is wrong.
c(h)ersydru > kulshed�r
certare > qartoj
cerru > qarr
cella > qel�
centrum > q�nd�r
ce:pa > qep�
cerasiu > qershi
c(a)elum > qiell
centum > qind
-inside of the word we find too, both groups "ce" and "ce:". For the group
"ce" and "ce:" it appears the "c" as such is kept with the exception of the
pair "gallinacea > g�las�"; presumbabely wrong Latin etimon and "cicere >
qiq�r" where "c" is reflected as "q"
benedi:cere > bekoj
crocea > klok�
consocer > krushk
gallinacea > g�las�
*canticellum > k�ng�l
cocceu > kuq
lucerna > luk�r
maledi:cere > mallkoj
place:re > p�lqej
pantice > pl�nc
cicere > qiq�r
-at the end of the word, there is just the group "ce" and there too the "c"
is kept as such with no changes beside the reflex of "c" as "q"
duce > duq
cortice > korqe
cruce > kryq
fornice > furr�qi
i:lice > ilqe
merce > mergjur�
matrice > m�trik
pa:ce > paq
pantice > pl�nc
calice > qelq
cimice > qimk�
radi:ce > rrik�


Well, it seems there is a lot to conclude about the palatalisation here in
the loans from Latin.

Best regards,

Alex