[tied] Re: Late Proto Albanian *3 /dz/ = Early Proto Romanian *3 /

Hello Miguel,
I proposed you to take the Latin Loans in Albanian in order to
discuss the reflex of Latin /di/ to Albanian, but you have ignored
this argument.

I'm obliged to put in equation this fact too, because it shows
that ep-Albanians had 'some problems' too, to reproduced Latin /di/.

Lat. dirigere Alb. drejtoj
Lat. directus Alb. derjt
Lat. vir[i]dis Alb. i/e verdhë 'yellow'
Lat. judicare Alb. gjykoj
Lat. medicus Alb. mjek

Conclusions: Both lp-Albanians and ep-Romanians HAD PROBLEMS to
reproduce the Latin /di/. I don't know how this Latin /di/ was
pronounced but for sure BOTH Romanians and Albanians had problems to
reproduce it.

So you have to review your Albanian examples based on the
Reflexes of Latin /di/ in Albanian (in order to establish the correct
correpondances with the Reflexes of Latin /di/ in Romanian)...

Best Regards,
marius alexandru


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

> Hello Miguel,
> I don't know any linguist to consider
>
> Lat. eradicare -> rom. ridica
> Lat. radicula -> rom. ridiche etc...
>
> as Later Latin loans in Romanian.
>
> I don't know either any OLD romanian form with 3
> as 'ra3iche' 'ra3ica' for words like : 'ridiche' , 'ridica':
>
> If you can proove that ALL words in my list are LATER LATIN

LOANS

> in Romanian or they ALL passed via a /3/ please do it.
>
> But ONLY saying that : "secondary /di/ all postdate" is not at
> all an argument.
>
> Best Regards,
> marius alexandru
>
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
> > On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:57:53 +0000, alexandru_mg3
> <alexandru_mg3@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Hello Miguel,
> > > Your arguments are "false friends" here:
> > >
> > > 1. a) ep-Romanians "has problems" to pronounce /di/ IN SOME
> > >CONTEXTS , BUT NOT IN ALL. Here are other contexts too where
> > >
> > > lat. /di/ -> ep-rom. /di/:
> > >
> > > Lat. adiliare -> rom. adia
> > > Lat. landica -> rom. lindic
> > > Lat. eradicare -> rom. ridica
> > > Lat. radicula -> rom. ridiche
> > >
> > > b) also ep-Romanian /di/ is obtain from other Latin Loans

(and

> not
> > >only) so its existance (LIKE IN in your ALBANIAN examples too)
> cannot
> > >be put in doubt :
> > >
> > > Lat. credentia -> rom. credinþã
> > > Lat. manitia -> rom. dimineaþã (rom. de + manitia )
> >
> > These cases of secondary /di/ all postdate the development /di/
> > /zi/, so
> > they're irrelevant.
> >
> >
> > =======================
> > Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> > mcv@...