Re: [tied] Re: American dialects, correction

From: enlil@...
Message: 30538
Date: 2004-02-03

Marco:
> Even in external samdhi there is a similar development:
> "shut-up" is /s^@r@/, "get in" is /giri'n/

Normally, it seems that loanwords are exempt from this rule. People will
pronounce "latte", that oh-so-lovely-funtime drink with a caffeine buzz
that sweeps you off your feet in the morning, as /'latHe/ even though
their dialect uses the tap for pre-stress, medial t's. I admit to saying
/'lAre/ just to be different and stick it to the pretentious cafe elite.
Also I'm being true to my dialect. Plus, I find it icky and weird to use
unnativized t's in English or the vowel /a/ in this context.


> I and many friends of mine hear this clearly articulated, but if
> I say it to any American speaker he denies this angrily.

Tell it to a Canadian next time. Americans are just paranoid about
everything ;)


> Strange sound changes are in act in American and in Australian
> dialects, despite of the tyrannical power of school, and within a
> century we'll have quite different languages derived from English.

Yes, da future be to'lly whack, dawg <:)


= gLeN