Re: [tied] Genetic Link between Albanian and Romanian

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:

> 02-02-04 23:01, alex wrote:
>
>>> Well, not in your Dacian fairy land. But I mean the real world.
>>
>> Tell me about that world!. Amase me, make me open the eyes. Show me
>> that I never heard about such historical testimony which are
>> somewhere to read:-) Let me tell you what is there: linguistic
>> assumtions. And unfortunately not a bit strong. Beside some Toponyms
>> in Serbia and Bulgaria , actualy fixed around 13 century it seems
>> even linguisticaly is nothing.
>
> Do you mean Albanian was confined to present-day Albanian and Romanian
> to present-day Romania 1500 years ago, and they have stayed that way
> since then?

Hmmm.. you are an adept of migrationst theory, it does not matter how I drow
it. For you the Romanians are migrationst from South of Danube to North and
The Albanians are migrationists from North to South.
I don't go into this historical thesis since there are not solide arguments
pro and contra. The only thing I mean is that there is no historical record
which will speak about any neighbourhood of present Albanian and Romanian. I
am sure on what I say when I speak about history and archeological data
here. You have on your side linguistic arguments. Show them . Show
linguistic arguments which will tell us that the Rom. and Alb. have been
neighbours in a certain time. You can choise here:
200-500 AD
500-1000 AD
1000-1300 AD

>
>> I would smile but I don't. It seems the irony here was not felt. I
>> am sorry.
>
> Irony aimed at what? A straw man? Save your wit for a better occasion.
>
> Piotr

I wrote:

a)

> Since Albanians
> are not Illyrians in your mind and Romanians are not Thracians, then the
> historical records do not tell us anything about any posible neighbourhood
> of these people, thus they never have been neighbour

- until here that is a 100% true statement unter asumtion Romanian are not
Thracians and Albanian are not Ilirians

b)

> and their phonetic
> system & common only shared lexica is just a coincidental issue. So much
> about 1+1=2

if the phonetic system does not prove anything but let open some
posiblities, the only shared lexic cannot be a coincidence, thus they have
been at least neighbours if there is not a genetic relationship. Thus
"coincidental issue" is excluded. Since b) is true _with no condition_ then
a) is false since it is based on a condition.

If a) is false then we have just 2 posibilities:
-Albanians are Ilirians and Rom. are Thracians( or other ways for supporting
your emigrationist theory, thus Rom. are Illirians and Albanian are
Thracians)
-Albanians and Romanians share a genetic relationship .

Any other idea of your side?

Alex