Re: [tied] Genetic Link between Albanian and Romanian

Hello Miguel,

You wrote:
"Nonsense. Similar phonological systems have *nothing* to do
with genetic affiliations."

If you are so confident, please put here an example of 2 languages
that are NOT GENETICALLY LINKED but they have ALMOST THE SAME
PHONETIC SYSTEM...For 10 beers that you cannot do this.
Please take next the Slavic languages to see that their genetic
relations are well detected by this criteria.

In any case the "distance" between the 2 phonetics systems is a
better indicator that your famous "Swadesh List" ( with all its
theory behind it), that you have proposed on this forum...

At least the distance between the 2 phonetics systems shows also
some hidden links or on the contrary the supposed closer links are
NOT so closed....

Based on this distance I can tell you that the Spanish is
a "creole language dressed up in Latin clothes"....

Best Regards,
marius alexandru

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:09:47 +0000, alexandru_mg3
<alexandru_mg3@...>
> wrote:
>
> > the TRUTH IS that Romanian Phonetic System is much closer to
> >Albanian Phonetic System!!!
>
> Actually, it isn't.
>
> > The results of this differences are the following :
> > (I counted 1 square = 1 difference (see below urls) -> but this
is
> >just a simplication , you can look next on each detail)
> >
> >Vowels System: Romanian versus Albanian = 1 differences
> > (almost
identical)
> >Consonants System: Romanian versus Albanian = 4 differences + 2
> >shifts
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

> > TOTAL = 5 differences + 2
shifts
> >
> >
> >Vowels System: Romanian versus Italian = 3 differences
> >Consonants System: Romanian versus Italian = 6.5 differences
> >----------------------------------------------------------------
> > TOTAL = 9.5 differences
> >
> > Note :
> > I considered the Albanian "d" "t" only a shift of Romanian/
> >Italian "d" "t" and not different sounds and also I considered "a
> >shift" the fact that "n" could be generated in two modes in
Albanian.
>
> There are several problems here. Your charts are bad, and you
cannot
> count.
>
> Based on a more accurate inventory, I count 10 differences between
Albanian
> and Romanian:
>
> Alb Rom
> 1 /y/ y --
> 2 -- /I/ â
> 3 /k^/ q --
> 4 /g^/ gj --
> 5 /dz/ x --
> 6 /T/ th --
> 7 /D/ dh --
> 8 /n^/ nj --
> 9 /l~/ ll --
> 10 /r:/ rr --
>
> And I count 9 differences between Romanian and Italian:
>
> Ita Rom
> 1 -- /&/ ã
> 2 -- /I/ â
> 3 /E/ è --
> 4 /O/ ò --
> 5 /dz/ z --
> 6 -- /z^/ j
> 7 -- /h/
> 8 /n^/ gn --
> 9 /l^/ gl --
>
>
> Alb: p b t d k g k' g' c 3 c^ 3^ f v T D s z s^ z^ j h m n n^ l
l~ r rr
> q gj c x ch xh th dh sh zh nj
ll rr
>
> a e i o u y &
> ë
>
> Rom: p b t d k g c c^ 3^ f v s z s^ z^ j h m n l r
> a e i o u I &
>
> Ita: p b t d k g c 3 c^ 3^ f v s z s^ j m n n^ l l^ r
> a e E i o O u
>
>
>
> > This GREAT similarity could only be explained by a GENETIC LINK
>
> Nonsense. Similar phonological systems have *nothing* to do with
genetic
> affiliations.
>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...