From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 30473
Date: 2004-02-02
>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:"Volgens Dick Wortel (persoonlijke communicatie) heeft de echte Leidse r,
>> On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:19:08 +0000, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
>> wrote:
>> >Amsterdam and Rotterdam Dutch has retroflex r's
>>
>> Not Amsterdam. Rotterdam and Leiden have it (although in Rotterdam
>it has
>> largely yielded to uvular /R/ in prevocalic position). The "Gooise
>r"
>> (postvocalic only) is an alveolar (slightly palatalized)
>approximant, but
>> it's not retroflex.
>>
>> More details at
><http://www.meertens.knaw.nl/vdw/2002/gooiser.html>, where
>> it is confirmed, as I suspected, that there is no reason to think
>the
>> origin of the Leidse (Rotterdamse) /r/ goes back any further than
>the 19th
>> century.
>>
>>
>
>Where do you find that confirmation? Not at yout link (which BTW
>mentions that the 'Gooise r' occurs also in Amsterdam-Zuid); it
>contains only a vragenlijst, but no results.