Re: Estimated timeframe of albanian s->sh transformation

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:19:08 +0000, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
> >Amsterdam and Rotterdam Dutch has retroflex r's
>
> Not Amsterdam. Rotterdam and Leiden have it (although in Rotterdam

it has

> largely yielded to uvular /R/ in prevocalic position). The "Gooise

r"

> (postvocalic only) is an alveolar (slightly palatalized)

approximant, but

> it's not retroflex.
>
> More details at

<http://www.meertens.knaw.nl/vdw/2002/gooiser.html>, where

> it is confirmed, as I suspected, that there is no reason to think

the

> origin of the Leidse (Rotterdamse) /r/ goes back any further than

the 19th

> century.
>
>

Where do you find that confirmation? Not at yout link (which BTW
mentions that the 'Gooise r' occurs also in Amsterdam-Zuid); it
contains only a vragenlijst, but no results.

Torsten