Re: Albanian (3)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

> 29-01-04 00:59, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> > Because we are too late and I fill very tired, I like justo to

know

> > what about *s > h (*selk/solk > halq > heq 'to drag', *suil >

hyll,

> > *ke:sa > kohë, Slavic *c^asu) even you give *keh1k^-sah2) after

back

> > vowels and *s > sh (*su: > shi 'rain'; *pe:d-su > posh 'down'),

etc.

>
> If *pe:dsu (> *pe:su) > posh is correct, it only illustrates the
> retention of voiceless *s in syllables that were unstressed in
> Proto-Albanian.

[AK}
Being merged long ago Ablative and Locative (plural), like Dative
and Ablative in most IE languages, I think that normal outcome of
Locative ending -su is -sh. Except *pe:d-su 'posh' < at the feet,
this ending is preserved in all Albanian nouns in Ablative (plural),
thematic or athematic nouns: pleqsh/plakash 'old men/old women',
djemsh/vashash 'boys'/girls', malesh/fushash 'mountains/filds', etc.
So, we may deduce that PIE /*s/ in unstressed open syllable,
followed by back vowels yields /sh/.

The story of <shi> must be more complex than Pokorny

> makes it; there's no external support for PIE *su:- (*suh-) as a

root

> noun.

[AK]
PIE *seuh2- 'to take liquid'
Suffixed zero-grade form *suh-yo-, contracted to *su:-yo- (cf.
hyetal; isohyet, from Greek hu:etos 'rain', from 'huein', to rain.


I find it hard to accept either *s(w)olk-eje- or *h2wolk-eje-

> (both have been proposed) as a valid etymology for <heq> (not that

I can confidently offer a better one).

[AK]
Niether have I.

There is no PIE "*suil", and the

> connection between *sh2wel- 'sun' and <(h)yll> 'star', once widely
> accepted, is now largely abandoned (<diell> 'sun' is a far better
> match). It's hard to be sure, but *h1uslo- 'glowing ember' (with
> Germanic cognates, from *h1eus- 'burn') may be a good idea,

especially

> if *-sl-, like *-sr-, caused compensatory lengthening in Proto-

Albanian.

> Semantically, it parallels *h2(h1)s-tér-.

Sorry, I make a swich *su:li /suil (Pokorny,sa:wel, 881)

> I forgot to mention the sporadic occurrence of <th-> /T/ as a

Modern

> Albanian reflex of initial *s-, cf. <thi> 'pig' (*su:s) and <tha(n)

j>

> 'dry up' (*saus-n-jo:). Cimochowski suspects dissimilation here:

*s...s

> > *c...s, but if so, it must be older than the change of initial

*s to

> *z under stress and the dropping of inflectional -s.
>
> Piotr

[AK]
To my opinion, there are enough reasons to assume that PIE /*s/,
followed by back vowels, yields in Albanian /h/.

Konushevci