Nordwestblock names

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> Kuhn started out with words with initial p-, since Celtic lost p-

and

> Germanic p- was very rare (since < PIE *b- which is rare). But

there

> are many dialect words in the Nordwestblock, from the less elevated
> register, which begin with p- (Kuhn lists 30). Further he finds in
> early English sources (Beda'a Ecclesiastical History, Liber Vitae
> Dunelmensis) many PN's beginning with P- which match the first part
> of place names in the Frisian area on the continent (and BTW
> correspond to Illyrian and Etruscan names, eg
>
> OE Pæ:ga, OFri Paya, MLG Paye, Ill Paiio, Paius;
> OE Pælli, Etr Palla, Palius;
> OE Pant-, Ill Panto, Pantia;
> OE Passa, Ill Passia Passena, Etr Passius;
> OE Pætt Patta, Ill Patalus Patalius, Etr Patius, Patina;
> OE Pic, *Picc-, Pi:cil, OS *Pikul, Etr Pica;
> OE Pinna, Ill Pinnes, Pinneus, Pinnius, Etr Pennus;
> OE Piot, Peot(t), *pita, Peota, Etr Pitio, Pitius, Pettius;
> OS Poppo, Etr Puppius, Pupius, Pupenus, Pup(p)onius
> Gmc *pul-, *pull-, Ill Pullus (Pyllus), Pula, Etr PPullas, Pullo,
> Pullius;
> OS Pumi, OE Pymma, Etr Pumidius, Pummidius
>

I tried to see if these matched with old Danish first names.

Danmarks Gamle Personnavne:

Pa (most SoSl, cf Fries Pua)
Paie (most SoSl)
Palni (< Celt. or Wendish?; otherwise only Nordic (Western Denmark)
Pant (few)
Pape (few)
Paske (< Paschalis?)
Pelle (hypochoristic of Petrus?)
Peue (few)
Plogh (plough?)
Poue (SoSl)
Poppe (SoSl)

Apparently most of them are found in Southern Schleswig. Perhaps
the rest can be explained by later immigration into the rest of
Denmark). Palni and Plogh are exclusively Nordic.

Let's assume that Kuhn is right and that most names in P- in North
West Germany and in England are from a pre-Germanic substrate
language.
It would seem that since the Danish names in P- are different from
the Nordwestblock languages in P- that the substrate language in
Denmark is different from the substrate language in the Nordwestblock.

Torsten