The palatal sham :) (Re: [tied] Re: Albanian (1))

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:33:49 +0000, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
>
> >--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...>

wrote:

> >> >> Sanskrit is not western IE.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Please elucidate.
> >>
> >> Skt. ke:kara, kampate:, kapat.i:, kapr.th-, carkarti.
> >>
> >
> >Examples of plain *k in Sanskrit, I surmise.
>
> Of *ka-, in fact.
>
> >There are two ways open
> >for me here:
> >
> >1) to claim that these were not loans from Old European, but a

third

> >language, accessible from both Old European and Sanskrit, eg at

its

> >earliest (or at least nearest) site at the Maeotic Sea. At least
> >*kand- has a correspondent in Semitic, according to Møller, and

could

> >therefore originate in the early NE Caucasian language John told

us

> >about.
> >
> >2) to point out that according to Krahe, Old European stretches

all

> >the way to the Caucasus, well within range of Sanskrit.
>

> 3) *k is an inherited PIE phoneme, reflexes of which are present in

every

> branch of PIE and in all semantic fields.

Are you not being a bit hasty here?

>It may not be as frequent as
> *k^, but it's doubtlessly present in derivational morphology (more

common

> there than *k^ in fact) such as the diminutive and adjectival affix
> *-(i)ko-.
>

The suffix *-k- Kuhn counts as one charateristic of Nordwestblock
placenames. The suffix -ko occurs is Basque too, I read somewhere?
Now there's a substrate language to borrow it from already.

Speaking of Kuhn, what do you make of his example Dutch
<pooien> "drink"? Looks almost PIE to me.

Torsten