Re: [tied] Estimated timeframe from albanian s->sh transformation

Hello Miguel,

>Now the question is : How long could take to a BASIC sound like /s/
>to GLOBALLY spread along a whole language in ALL PHONETIC CONTEXTS?

>>The answer is: one generation.<<

Really? so we need for a word like "mouse" or "television" between
40 and 50 years IN OUR TIMES for their global spreading, but for a
global s->sh a single generation? ONLY about 30 years ? Sounds like a
SF for me...but I will change my mind if will post valid arguments...

Please sustain you afirmation!

Best regards,
marius

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:15:35 +0000, alexandru_mg3
<alexandru_mg3@...>
> wrote:
>
> >We have 3 transformations (s-s; s->sh; s->s) :
>
> We have 1 transformation (Albanian s > sh).
>
> >I. Albanian last s->s is active somewhere VII-X century when the
> >Slavs arrived in Balkans.
> >Ex:
> > sl. s -> alb. s and sl. s -> rom. s
> >
> > rom. coasã sl. kosa alb. kosë eng. scythe
> >
> >Both rom. s->s and albanian s->s : starting to be active
somewhere
> >between VII-X century (or even before but I take here the worst
> >scenario):
> >
> >
> >II. Albanian s->sh is active : this situation is ended Before
I.
> >
> > rom. c~apuS~a , alb. këpushë
> > rom. gus,a , alb. gushë > from Lat. geusial.
> >
> > Note : at this time we have also an active : s -> sh
> >(intervocalic) in Romanian
> >
> >
> >III. An older albanian s->s active, this situation should be
ended
> >Before II.
> >
> >Justification:
> >Applying the "Loan" theory s -> sh at this time is ended. see
> >Romanian 's' in :
> > rom sterp ; alb. shterp
> > rom. strung~a ; alb. shtrungë etcx..
> >
> >
> >Now the question is : How long could take to a BASIC sound
like /s/
> >to GLOBALLY spread along a whole language in ALL PHONETIC CONTEXTS?
>
> The answer is: one generation.
>
>
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