Re: [tied] Nakh Daghestan and the origins of agriculture

From: Alexander Stolbov
Message: 29935
Date: 2004-01-23

I gave simplified forms of all the names.
Actually in the article by V.Ardzinba "K istorii kulta zheleza i kuznechnogo remesla (pochitanie kuznizy u abkhazov)" ["The history of Iron and Smith Cult (Smithy Worship by the Abkhasians)"] the following transcription is used:
- the Abkhazian name Saswe (first "S" with an arrow pointing down above the letter - as there is the Cyrillic transcription as well, I can guess that it means a soft "sh" not merged with the next vowel; second "s" with ^ pointing down and "w" in lower register - labialised "sh" ?; instead of "e" is "schwa")
- the Proto-AA form *Xapswe ("X" with an arrow pointing down above the letter; "s" with an arrow pointing down above the letter and "w" in lower register; instead of "e" is "schwa") 
 
Somewhere in the text these sounds are characterized as following:
"X" with an arrow pointing down above the letter - lateral
"s" with an arrow pointing down above the letter and "w" in lower register - labialised soft affricate
 
Alexander
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Joao
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Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Nakh Daghestan and the origins of agriculture

This theory sounds good. Hephaistos x *Xapshwe? So, Hephaistos would go back to an older *Ha:pHas-istos < *Xa:pHas-
 
* Xaphshwe is Xaps^we or XapsHwe ?
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Nakh Daghestan and the origins of agriculture


We consider Hattic as a NWC language, don't we?
Hatti (or the group they belong to) are unique due to inventing the iron
metallurgy which remained a secret for foreigners until the downfall of the
Hittite empire. Ethnographical evidences show that iron making belongs to
the sacral sphere and takes a very special place in Abkhazian and Adyghian
rites. According to S.Starostin, the names of the smith-gods in Abkhazian
(Shashwa) and in Adyghian (Lepsh) go back to the Proto-Ab-Ad form *Xapshwe,
which can be cognate to the Hattic name Hashmil (with the name suffix -il-)
and, BTW, to Greek Hephaistos.
Thus, in all probability, Proto-Ab-Ad left Asia Minor for the NW Caucasus
only in the Iron Age, in 2,500 years after the Maikop c. appeared there.


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