From: tgpedersen
Message: 29928
Date: 2004-01-23
> > > Kuhn also notes that oldest PIE words for cattle raising andwould
> > > agriculture (Viehzucht und Ackerbau, to avoid terminological
> > > confusion) have almost no /a/'s, whereas the names of younger
> > > domesticated animals, ie goat, goose, duck and chicken, is full
> > > of /a/'s. According to Gimbutas, the kurgan/corded ware culture
> > > overran Europe in several waves, the first ones only
> incompletely; so
> > > if assume the last wave did not spread from the former wave, but
> > > overran it completely (and then some), then the river names
> beas
> > > Pre-PIE loanwords in (western) PIE.
> >
> > Goats were domesticated before cattle, at roughly the same time
> sheep andearliest
> > pigs, i.e. ca. 8000 BC. They were kept in Europe from the
> Neolithic(b.
> > times, so in what sense are they "younger"?
>
>
> First, all these questions should really be directed at Hans Kuhn
> 1899), since those are his words (Besprechung von Hans Krahe:Unsere
> ältesten Flussnamen, in 'Kleine Schriften'). I'll try to save histerms,
> reputation, though. W.r.to goats, their name may have been
> transmitted the same way as the Old European river names, ie. an IE
> invasion borrowed it from an earlier IE invasion.
>
>
> >As for "almost no /a/'s" in the
> > vocabulary of farming, how about some of the most important
> such as,*h2arh3-
> > *h2ag^-e/o- 'drive (animals), lead', *h2ag^ro- 'field' and
> 'till'??which
> >
>
> Kuhn's words. I guess it shows these terms arrived at the same time
> as the words for goats etc were borrowed.
>
> Some argue that *ag-r^o- is a derivation of *ag^- 'drive', or
> perhaps 'to shepherd' (and therefore derivative, and later). You'd
> have to move goats around too. (BTW, there's Latin <gero> too,
> makes it look like a "bird word" too).Further confusion: Kuhn points out that stops in Krahe's river names