Re: [tied] PIE -> Dacian : Method (part 1)

19-01-04 10:35, alexandru_mg3 wrote:

> I want to ask some additional questions, if possible :
>
> 1. What are the conditions when Dacian /3/ arrive in romanian as :
> a. /3^/ like in 'ArgeS' and when it arrives to
> b. /z/ like in 'viezure' and 'maz~are'

I assumed that in (a) we have *3ie (with *ie from diphthongised *e, as
in Albanian), and that in early Romanian the palatal glide was absorbed
by the preceding consonant, causing its palatalisation. In (b) we have
the normal unpalatalised development into Modern Romanian /z/
(dialectally also /3/ = <dz>).

> (also regarding 1.b. my opinion is that /3-/ at the end of the
> word arrived in proto-romanian /d-/ like in 'brad'. (or this is a
> later/current romanian /3^-/ -> /d-/ ?) What is your opinion on this?

I wouldn't exclude the possibility that the substratal word was *brad-
rather than *bra3- to begin with. Albanian -dh- (in <bredh>) can be
ambiguous (I'm preparing a series of postings about the PIE > Albanian
developments). A convincing IE etymology would decide the issue.

> 2. *h2arg^ is the same root with Pokorny arg^
> meaning 'shine;silver'? If yes (as I suppossed), could you tell me
> why /h2/ in front?

Because the PIE root begins with a "laryngeal" fricative ignored by
Pokorny. It was lost early by most IE languages, but is directly
attested in Hittite harki- 'white, light'.

Piotr