Re: [tied] Baltic-Slavic disintegration

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Alexander Stolbov" <astolbov@...>
wrote:

> George Knysh wrote:
> > There
> > is some very recent research (V. Klochko) which
> > contends (on the basis of the very significant
> > diminution of Sabatynivka settlements between 1200 and
> > 900 BC,
>
> How does he date the Belozerskaya c. then?

*****GK: I don't have his article at hand (it's in "Arkheologiia"
(Kyiv) 1990, n.1, pp. 10-17). I don't think he has a different date
for Bilozerska (my account was abbreviated and obviously created an
ambiguity as to time of replacement: the usual view is that
Bilozerska begins ca. 1100 BC and continues to ca. 800). Klochko
mentions a "demographic explosion" at the beginning of Sabatynivka
(from 1400 BC->) followed by "exhaustion of natural resources" and
massive out-migration.*****

>
> > and the discovery of Sabatynivka artifacts in
> > Cyprus)
>
> Does he mean the amber beads or something else?

******GK: I read the article a while back. I remember that the main
items were (a) a particular kind of "attack knife" and (b) depiction
of head gear on pottery which was identical to that of Sabatynivka
warriors (a sort of pre-Roman plumage). There are pictures in the
article.******

>
> > that the Sabatynivka population took part in
> > the so-called "Peoples of the Sea" movement of the
> > 12th c. BC.(some of them were allegedly a component of
> > the Philistines), and that the Bilozerska c.
> > represents a fusion of Sabatynivka remnants with more
> > eastern Late Zrubna groups.
>
> This implies that Srubnaya c. and Sabatinovka are not two phases of

the same

> culture, doesn't it? Otherways Belozerskaya c. would be just the

3rd phase

> of this sequence, as usually is thought.

*****GK: It basically is, since the new groups were very small.****

> Unfortunately, I know the Late Bronze cultures of this region worse

than

> those of the Early and Middle Bronze Age. Does the Belozerskaya c.

really

> demonstrate the way "back to Srubnaya" from more distinguished

Sabatinovka?

*****GK: It's presented as a continuation of Sabatynivka (but of
course the latter is viewed as a development of Zrubna in the West
with assimilation of prior local groups and close contacts to Noa),
Bilozerska on the other hand maintains close ties with Bilohrudiv
(the ancestor of Chornolis) and with Bondarykha (Bondarikhino). Since
Bilohrudiv and Chornolis are basically Thrakoid cultures, the switch
away from "close contact" with the Thracian Halstatt which continues
Noa is not a big deal.******