Re: Tor/Tur/(e)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Moretti"
<marcomoretti69@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "bagoven20" <bagoven20@...>

wrote:

> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Moretti"
> > <marcomoretti69@...> wrote:
> > > > Karlmarxstadt?
> > >
> > > I don't like Marx, marxism, Ra"terepublik or similar.
> > > But this is not a political forum.
> > >
> > > Marco
> >
> > Hi, can someone give an opinion on the possibility of connecting
> the
> > titan Atlas with Thor.
>
> There's no similarity at all.

Yes, at first glance there is no similarity. There is again no
similarity if you dig second further. Thor is a Norse God of
Thunder, I believe main defender of Asgard. While Atlas is the main
hero of the Titans against Zeus and his brothers.
But again see below .

> > You see, the Pleiades which were seven daughters of Atlas are
> > called 'Thuraya' in Arabic.
>
> Impossible. /Thor/ < /*Thunaraz/.

Therefore it is not within Germanic or IE. Since this *Thunaraz is
either Proto-Germanic or Proto-IE. And it has *. The asterisk seem
to be more related to 'Thor'. Stellar?

>
> > I seem to think that Tur-/Tor- roots are related to the

following:

> > three, thunder, mountain, teaching, star, law, point, bull and

so

> > many more.
>
> It is not possible. This is not a scientific methodology but

chance

> resemblance.

Probably chance resemblances but the chance resemblances may
actually prove to be unbroken line of connections. You see with
regards to Atlas we have -tl- there and that -tl- could be from or
relative to -tr-.

> > At-tur is mountain or specifically Mt. Sinai in Arabic. Perhaps
> > related to Torah or Towraat.
>
> In Hebrew /To:ra:(h)/ means "Law", and not "thunder". There's no
> similarity at all.

Yes, surely Torah is not thunder but Mt. Sinai was thunderous when
Yahweh gave the Torah to Moses.

>
> > In Roman myths is Saturn the cognate of Thor (if the 'seven'
> > connection is dismissed) although the equivalent of Greek Cronos?
> >
>
> Sorry, all this doesn't work.
>
> Marco

Can you explain why it doesnt work?
I'll state my case again based on myths. Saturn was replaced by
Jupiter as the Supreme deity.
In Roman myths it seems it was'nt the battle between Kronos and
Zeus, but the Phoenician Atlas and Zeus.
It is possible (unless you correct me) that 'Saturn' is actually
either 'seven heavens' or 'seven mountains'. The latter you
have 'tur-' actually 'turnus'. Well you have 'Turanic' people all
the way from central Asia.

Loreto