Re: Tor/Tur/(e)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Moretti" wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "m_iacomi" <m_iacomi@...> wrote:
>
>> "-icum" is the Latin ending. Whick /k/ are you referring at?
>
> In Celtic there's really no /dur/ "water".

Really-really? Would you like to bet on that?!
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/institutes/sassi/spns/WatsIndex2.htm
could bring you more information on the topic. See also "Dordogne"
in which the first element is the very same Celtic "dur".

> The correct Celtic word is /*dubron/ "water".

Without * -- "dubron" is one of the Celtic water-words.

> Hydronyms in /dur-/ or /tur-/ are unrelated

Maybe. Or maybe not. It is of no use to state emphatically they
aren't related. There are several "dur-" like Celtic words, the
water-word "d(h)obhar" equally has the version "-twr", there is
also "tur" `dry` in Celtic: any of these is a better candidate
for the root in "Turicum" than "Thor".

> and I think them related to Basque /iturri/ "source", itself of
> unknown origin (I can't find any credible link).

Oh, I didn't knew there were plenty of Basques in the Alps at
15 B.C.

> /-i:cum/ is a Latinized ending for Celtic /*-i:kon/ with a
> long vowel. In Lombardy and in France there is a plenty of
> toponyms with the same Celtic ending.

So?!

> Celtic for "thunder" and "Thor" was /Taranis/, /Taranus/.
> It's undeniable. And this argument should put an end to
> anacronisms and rave.

Which anacronisms are you speaking about?!

> Allahstadt? Yiips what a horror! Poor Germany! I hope that
> something similar will never happen!

That was a joke (but who knows?! :)).

Regards,
Marius Iacomi