Re: Vanir,etc.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> > > Or it is the kingdom of Vani. That was not so difficult?
> >
> > If your theory were true, we should find some Kartvelian

substratum

> > items in Germanic. But we found nothing similar! I analyzed in
> depth
> > hundreds of bizarre non-IE Germanic roots, succeeding only few
> times
> > in getting some useful matchup with something else.
>
> And did you try matching with Kartvelian?
> Here's one for you: Iranian V&r&Tragna > Georgian Vakhtang,

Armenian

> Vahagn > Odin's name Vegtam; Vangiones; <Wagnijo> in Runic (weapon
> find), the PN Vagn in Danish.

I tried and I failed. There's nothing useful. Your matchups are
inconsistent. We can explain these words without Kartvelian
connections.

> >Even Basque comparison is not productive.
>
> I think Rick McAllister believed otherwise; unfortunately his site

is

> defunct and I can't find my paper copy.

I read something about attempts of Basque comparison, but I'm still
not convinced. Perhaps there are two or three Wanderwo"rter and
possibly some other links. But all is very difficult.

> >So I dismiss any idea of connecting Vanir with something

Kartvelian.

>
> Did you try, or is it the same story as with your dialectal

Georgian

> <wani> "home" that suddenly appeared out of a denial?

This dialectal Georgian is quoted from Starostin.

> I think Herodotus mentioned some campaign in the Caucasus where

they

> had to bring 100 interpreters. Ubykh recently died out. How do you
> know that there are not cognates from a lost Caucasian language in
> Germanic?

I remember 150 interpreters. But you must know that North Caucasian
lanugages are not related with Kartelian. Ubykh is a North West
Caucasian language, similar to Georgian like Chinese is similar to
German. You seem to ignore this and to consider the whole Caucasus as
a monolothic linguistic entity. I try connections between pre-IE
Germanic and North Caucasian, and I got some results, but the whole
question is complicated by absence of regular phonetic
correspondences (perhaps there were different languages in the
Germanic substratum).

Marco