Re: Vanir,etc.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Moretti"
> <marcomoretti69@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >But what the pre-IE Germanic root wani-
> > > > meant? I think it was a word for "bright", probably
> also "divine".
> > > > If I'm not wrong there is an isolated Anglo-Saxon
> > > > word, /wanum/ "bright" that is formed from the same root.
> > >
> > > And? You have a kingdom of Vani around the corner from the
> homeland
> > > of the As people. They don't come much better than that.
> > >
> >
> > I remember you that Proto-Germanic has /*ansuz/, "a k. of divine

or

> > semi-divine being". So we cannot match it with a form /as/ that
> > almost certainly had no ancient nasal at all. It is chance
> > resemblance.
> >
>
> Which is a reconstruction. I think the Germanic forms with -n- are

a

> hypercorrection.

Based on what? Reflex of the nasal consonant are clearly discernible
in Old Norse. We have a gloss explaining the Gothic term /ansis/ (or
better /*anseis/) as a word meaning "hero, semi-divine being".
How do you account for Old Norse close /a:/ vowel in /a:ss/ written
also as /o:/ if you don't admit an old nasal? You should study some
Germanic philology.

> > > > > >So the matchup is rough.
> > > > > > It is a word with a plain structure, it can be found

almost

> > > > > > everywhere.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In that case, please provide three or four.
> > > >
> > > > Hurrite /wan-/ is "to win" (an IE loanword?)
> > > > Pre-IE substratum in Greek /wan-ak-/ is "a prince, a king"
> > > > Etruscan /Van-th/ is a "Fate Goddess" and the sentence /malak
> van-
> > > ka/
> > > > read in one vascular inscription is "good fortune".
> > > > If I had more time I could add a dozen items in /wan(i)-/.
> > >
> > > Of course you can, if you add suffixes. We were talking
> about /van-
> > /.
> >
> > All this looks like a monkey business.
>
> You said that, not me.

It's you that prepared this Affentheater, not me.

> >Words with suffixes are formed
> > from a root and segments added, and we should compare roots (that
> > bear the meaning).
>
> Aha. I see you have studied linguistics.

Yes, I've studied linguistics and many other pretty things.
And you?

> >Your comparison attempts seem to me bad linguistics.
>
> Another unfounded value judgement.

Founded on your arrogant statements.

> > > > Perhaps tomorrow I'll make you known if I found some

Kartvelian

> > or
> > > > other matchups.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That might have been a good place to start.
> >
> > Well, I have found Georgian (dialectal) /vani/ "home". It is
> > suspected to be a North-Caucasian loanword.
>
> >It has nothing to do with
> > the Vanir, whose central meaning must be something
> > like "bright", "divine" or "king".
>
> And how do you know that? Do you receive revelations?

Every night, directly form Dionysos, after having drunk satyreion!

> > > > Boats are quite common already in ancient times, what is
> awkward
> > is
> > > > Maori or Hawaiian presence in prehistoric, pre-IE Sweden.
> > >
> > > Actually some of the people of those slant-eyed early Greek and
> > > Etruscan statues look Swedish.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sundalandic.
> >
>
>
> > Also in Eolie (Islands near Sicily) human remnants of a Nordic
> human
> > typology were found, and it is believed that that Neolithic

persons

> > were blond-haired. In Canary Islands Guanches were also Nordic,
> they
> > looked Swedish. And I met a woman from Rif that was Berber-
> speaking,
> > thinking at first sight that she was from England (she was very

ill-

> > tempered so the romance was almost immediately over). Nothing
> strange.
> > Nobody ensure that characters which we call Nordic were exclusive
> of
> > Northern Europe. They were found so far as in Africa. Tocharians
> (an
> > IE people of Asia) were blond or red-haired and from mummies and
> > tartan cloths we know that they look very like Scottish people of
> the
> > Highlands. There is a pictures portrating a beautiful Etruscan
> woman
> > with milky skin and red hair. Homeric heroes are described as
> blond.
> > King David was blond, Aharon was red-haired, and so on.
> > But all this proves nothing.
> >
>
> Agreed. So why do you mention it?

Many people don't know these things at all. So I find opportune to
say something about them.

Marco