[tied] Re: suffix -ko

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Moretti"
<marcomoretti69@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> > 12-01-04 10:39, Marco Moretti wrote:
> >
> > > Are we sure that /*Ops-ko/ and /*Xeruska-/ < /*Kerusko-/ are
> formed
> > > from IE roots? Etymological explanations are very poor in the
> case of
> > > Osci: the name originally didn't belong to Samnites, but to a
> > > submitted people of Campania, of uncertain origin; a variant
> Opici
> > > was also used. Cherusci may be from an IE root
> for "stag", "deer",
> > > still preserved in the learned English word "hart". But

sigmatic

> > > suffix is quite strange.
> >
> > I'd say that the suffix is ethnonymic *-(i)sko- in both cases,

and

> that
> > Cherusci = *xerut-(i)ska-, either with a shorter variant of the
> suffix
> > or with early syncope of *-i-. *op-iko- and *op-sko-, if so
> divided,
> > would then be parallel forms with alternative suffixes playing

the

> same
> > function (fpom op- 'power'?)
>
> It is very probable, but we lack conclusive evidence. All these
> ethnonyms are very ancient. In particular, we do know nothing about
> the Opsci, Opici before Samnites conquer and assimilated (or
> partially exterminated) them. Samnites imposed their Italic

language

> to the won people. It is not so sure that this Op- came from
> /op-/, "power", that was very used in historic Oscan, in which /ops-

/

> is the common root for "to do" (even more used than /opus/ in

Latin).

>

Meid:
So it doesn't surprise us that Kuhn can list parallels to his <st->-
formations, eg Alisti, Bilisti, Segate, etc in Southern Germany and
in the Mediterranean area: Alista on Corsica, the Philistines,
several counts of Segesta in the Mediterramean region. Further:
Börnst, cf the ethnonym Burnistae in Dalmatia, Werste, cf the
ethnonym Varisti in Bavaria. The root are in part those that also
occur in the Old European river names with various suffixes, and also
Kuhn's name material displays this sharing of different suffixes with
the same root, eg between -k- and -st-: Alisti/Aleke, Bilisti/Bilici.

Torsten