Re: Vanir,etc.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> >
> >But what the pre-IE Germanic root wani-
> > meant? I think it was a word for "bright", probably also "divine".
> > If I'm not wrong there is an isolated Anglo-Saxon
> > word, /wanum/ "bright" that is formed from the same root.
>
> And? You have a kingdom of Vani around the corner from the homeland
> of the As people. They don't come much better than that.
>

I remember you that Proto-Germanic has /*ansuz/, "a k. of divine or
semi-divine being". So we cannot match it with a form /as/ that
almost certainly had no ancient nasal at all. It is chance
resemblance.

> > > >So the matchup is rough.
> > > > It is a word with a plain structure, it can be found almost
> > > > everywhere.
> > > >
> > >
> > > In that case, please provide three or four.
> >
> > Hurrite /wan-/ is "to win" (an IE loanword?)
> > Pre-IE substratum in Greek /wan-ak-/ is "a prince, a king"
> > Etruscan /Van-th/ is a "Fate Goddess" and the sentence /malak van-
> ka/
> > read in one vascular inscription is "good fortune".
> > If I had more time I could add a dozen items in /wan(i)-/.
>
> Of course you can, if you add suffixes. We were talking about /van-

/.

All this looks like a monkey business. Words with suffixes are formed
from a root and segments added, and we should compare roots (that
bear the meaning). Your comparison attempts seem to me bad
linguistics.

> > Perhaps tomorrow I'll make you known if I found some Kartvelian

or

> > other matchups.
> >
>
> That might have been a good place to start.

Well, I have found Georgian (dialectal) /vani/ "home". It is
suspected to be a North-Caucasian loanword. It has nothing to do with
the Vanir, whose central meaning must be something
like "bright", "divine" or "king".

> > Boats are quite common already in ancient times, what is awkward

is

> > Maori or Hawaiian presence in prehistoric, pre-IE Sweden.
>
> Actually some of the people of those slant-eyed early Greek and
> Etruscan statues look Swedish.
>
>
> Sundalandic.

Also in Eolie (Islands near Sicily) human remnants of a Nordic human
typology were found, and it is believed that that Neolithic persons
were blond-haired. In Canary Islands Guanches were also Nordic, they
looked Swedish. And I met a woman from Rif that was Berber-speaking,
thinking at first sight that she was from England (she was very ill-
tempered so the romance was almost immediately over). Nothing strange.
Nobody ensure that characters which we call Nordic were exclusive of
Northern Europe. They were found so far as in Africa. Tocharians (an
IE people of Asia) were blond or red-haired and from mummies and
tartan cloths we know that they look very like Scottish people of the
Highlands. There is a pictures portrating a beautiful Etruscan woman
with milky skin and red hair. Homeric heroes are described as blond.
King David was blond, Aharon was red-haired, and so on.
But all this proves nothing.

Sincerely

Marco