Re: *(H-)p/bh[-r/l-] again again

>
> The alternation ibarr ~ ibai occurs occasionally in Basque (e.g.

bizkarr

> "back, ridge" ~ bizkai (> Biscay); hamarr "10" ~ hamai- "-teen").

It's not

> a regular sound correspondence, so it's hard to know what to make

of it.

>
> The suffix -arr is suspected to have been a collective. It is quite
> frequent in Basque (bizkar "back", belar "grass", izar "star", bular
> "breast", adar "horn", etc.). Since the alternation -arr ~ -ai

only seems

> to occur in instances of this collective suffix -arr, we may be

dealing

> with a morphological alternation -arr/-ai rather than something

phonetical.

>

Have any of the Basque roots using this assumed /r/-containing
collective suffix been suggested as loan words into Basque? That
suffix intrigues me, since it's the only affix in the Austronesian/IE
etc material I've found with any certainty. Austronesian mainly
doesn't suffix, it prefixes, and I'm not aware of any /r/-suffix in
it, whereas in IE it's the *-(t-)r "comparison" or "pertaining to"
suffix.

Torsten