--- "Daniel J. Milton" <
dmilt1896@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
>
>
> > I agree with Trubachov that the Stavani are the
> Slavs. .....
>
> > I would also argue that the Ptolemaic
> nomenclature,
> > which reflects the Indo-Iranic notion of "glory",
> is
> > an argument in favour of that concept rather than
> > "word" or "speech" being the original meaning of
> Slav.
> *********
> Golab (sorry, I just happen to have his book
> handy) takes
> another Ptolemaic tribal name, Suobenoi, as the
> primary form,
*****GK: Hi Dan! I've read about this second Ptolemaic
form any number of times, but somehow never traced it
in the exact context of the Geography. As far as I
remember it appears to point to a location
considerably to the northeast of the "Stavani" does it
not? Could you let me have the exact Ptolemy reference
(Book, chapter) and I'll see if I can check this
out.******
later
> modified to Stavinoi, Slovinoi, etc. and derives it
> from
> *s(u_)e-bho- "ourSelves" (like the Suebi or the
> Samnites)with
> the "Glory" and "Word" meanings being later
> misinterpretations.
> Is an idiosyncratic nutty idea, or could there
> be something to
> it?
*****GK: Something like today's "Svoji" (similar term
in Russian too I think)? I wonder, then, if it was a
self-appellation, why it would have subsequently been
garbled (by "foreigners" that would have been
understandable)? BTW even in the last century there
were many localities in Eastern Europe (I know of this
in Belarusian and Ukrainian situations) where the
inhabitants of an area, lacking a definitive "national
consciousness" would simply describe themselves as
"Tuteshni" (= "locals"). I'll resist the temptation to
analyze the East Slavic mediaeval term for Swedes
("Svei") as originating from some Slavicized Viking
ewo referred to his ancestral haunts as that of "our
guys" ("Svei" ~ "Svoji") (:=)))*****
> Dan
>
>
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