Re: [tied] Re: PIE's closest relatives

From: Glen Gordon
Message: 29272
Date: 2004-01-09

Alexander:
>Well, the Tartaria tablets appears to be related by some archeologists
>with the later writting form of Sumer. And not just Tartaria, but too
>some other things found later in Bulgaria.

There is controversy with that. One might just as well say that the
European scripts are native and that the Sumerian writing was either
influenced by Tartaria or was a seperate development. Abstract
patterns were common from earliest times on pottery and religious
artifacts in Europe.

Regardless of the outcome, this has no bearing on the Sumerian
language being anywhere near the Indo-European speakers. Going
on a quasi-writing system is hardly proof of anything. This is why I'd
rather play it as safe as I can. If there is a connection with the two
words, then that connection must surely be Semitic. There are few
if any words between IE and Sumerian that one could attempt
to connect but there is always the possibility of Semitic being the
intermediary.

I can only think of *kWekWlo- being connected with Sumerian
/girgir/. However, even so, there is Semitic *galgal- as a potential
go-between in such an event and IE is in fact built on native
elements anyway (*kWel- "to roll").

And I just realized. I think that should be *weru-?arDi (not my
earlier **weri-?arDu). I switched the terminating vocalism of the
two words. IndoEuropean compounds and Semitic genitives made
a switch in my swiss cheese brain because *i is typically used at
the end of the first element of a compound in IE (which turns
out to be the regular reflex of pretonic MIE *&). Whatever.
That still yields MIE *er�ud&.

Gotta stop the drinking... <:(


= gLeN

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