From: Alexander Stolbov
Message: 29114
Date: 2004-01-05
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From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:11 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: PIE's closest relatives
> >
> > Who could be the ancestors of this "Atlantic substrate" population?
> Either
> > people of the ethnic massif #1, or people of the ethnic massif #2.
> The
> > latter seems to be more probable from the geographical point of
> view.
> > However the first variant also can not be excluded (at least I
> don't know
> > reasons for this now). In this case the Afro-Asiatic (but
> definitely not
> > Semitic, perhaps Para-Berberic ?) substrate for Germanic and
> perhaps some
> > Celtic languages could be well explained.
> >
>
> With respect to the extent of a Basque substrate in Western Europe,
> from Hans Kuhn: "Das letzte Indogermanisch":
> "Leo Weissgerber fand in den römerzeitlichen Name im Umkreis der
> Ardennen Spuren, die auf einen Zusammenhang mit dem Aquitanischen zu
> deuten scheinen (Ann. d. hist. Vereins f. d. Niederrhein 155/156, S.
> 47-81, sieh AfdA. 83, 115), und für den Fluss- und Bachnamen <Itter>,
> der bei uns von Brabant bis nach Nordhessen verstreut ist (insgesamt
> 8 mal), fand ich eine Erklärung nur im baskischen <iturri> 'Quelle'
> (Abh. d. Mainzer Ak., 1963, S. 563 = Kl. Schr. III, 271)"
>
> Torsten
Well, the Ardennes area represents a part of the 3rd stream of the 6th mill.
BC agrarian Drang nach Westen - the LinearBandKeramik culture which
originated in the Middle Danube region and spread later from Seine to
Dniester. This should be called in our terms the ethnic massif #3.
By the way the territory of Belgium and the Netherlands generally wasn't
covered by the megalithic cultures area. On the other hand there is no
traces of the migration of the LBK people or their descendants to SW France
(Aquitania).
Alexander