Re: [tied] Re: etyma for =?UNKNOWN?Q?Cr=E3ciun=2CRomanianforChristma

29-12-03 11:53, g wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 29, 2003, at 10:32 AM, Piotr wrote:
>
>> It isn't _absolutely_ impossible. I was considering a Hungarian
>> filter as a possible source of false pleophony (/kra-/ --> Hung.
>> /kOrO-/ --> East Slavic /koro-/. I admit, however, that the
>> evidence produced by you and by Sergei looks decisive.
>>
>> Piotr
>
> The Hung. variant <karácsony> is to be pronounced this
> way:
>
> ['kO-ra:-tSoñ]
>
> i.e., in the 2nd syllable the [a] must be long and
> broad, so that the mouth opened to utter it must be as
> wide opened as to be able to eat all culinary goodies
> prepared for Xmas, e.g. the <kalács> ['kO-la:tS],
> namely those pastry creations that bear a Slavic
> name, AFAIK (in Polish <kolacz>?) [note the same
> "symetry" /O/ versus /a:/] :-))
>
> (Such an [a] is written as <ah> and <aa> in some
> European languages. The Hungarian writing opted for
> <á>. Thus, <á> [a:], whereas <a> [O], as in BE <not,
> hot, lot, Nottingham, Tottenham, bottle>.)

I noticed my mistake myself -- alas, after pressing the "Send" button.
<kará-> /kOra:-/ is of course a natural Magyarisation of /kra(:)-/. The
derivation of East Slavic koro- (with its various phonetic realisations)
from that is still not impossible (note that Banat Rusyn _kárac^on_
'tree carried by Xmas carol performers' (quoyed by Sergei) can hardly be
anything else but a loan from Hungarian), but I agree that it isn't the
most likely scenario.

Piotr