[tied] Re: IE prefix "*s"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> Exactly. The same applies to schimba, where I think the /i/ first
> arose in
> unaccented position (inf., ptc., 1/2pl. schâimbá >

schimbá, ptc.

> scâimbát >
> schimbát, 1pl. scâimbám > schimbã'm, etc.), and spread

from there

> to the
> other forms.
>
> When /â/ was always accented, we see /âi/ instead of /i/ as

the

> palatalization result: pâine "bread", câine "dog". These

forms are

> also
> analogical, since the palatalization spread from the plural

pâni(i)

>
> pâini(i), câni(i) > câini(i).

That is ridiculous. Which palatalisation here? Palatalisation of
what? Of "â"? I guess this is just an epentetic "i" and no
palatalisation here..
It ought to observe that "âi" appears just when in the next
syllable
is an /e/ or an /i/, not in other position.
thus câne, pâne, mâne > câine, pâine, mâine;
When we do not have any /e/ or /i/ there is no change of "â" to
"âi".
for this see mânã ( no /e/ or /i/, thus no "âi") but
mâini ( followed
by /i/, thus "âi")

So, if you want to have your own derivation you have to assume that:
ex-cambiare > *scâmba. Since the conj. of it by pers. II sg, has
an "i", then there it is possible to have "*scâmbi" >
"*scâimbi".

From the pers. II sg. you will have your requested "âi". But you
are
making the things very complicated and I doubt following the
changes "âi" > "iâ" or "âi" > "i" one can be right here
since
the "âi" if appears, it does not get lost. There a multitude of
example where one has the group "âi" which did not reduced later
to "i" as you like it to have in "schimba".

> >
> >" dr. înel (fonetism atestat in secolul XVI,v.mai jos pag. 218)
> >(cu î > i sub influenta lui e urmator) [...] < lat. anellus "
> >
> >"Daco-Romanian. înel (attested phonetism in XVI century, see

below

> >at page. 218)
> >(with î > i under the influence of the next e) [...] < lat.

anellus

>
> Surely Rosetti must also say something about the loss of /j/. The

expected

> form would be anéllu > *âniél (and then *âinél >

inél).

>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...

Do you have any viable example for "â" > "âi" in initial
position
beside your thoughs? I don't remember of any by now.

Alex