[tied] Re: IE prefix "*s"

From: tgpedersen
Message: 28499
Date: 2003-12-15

> To support this connection, you should demonstrate that there are
some
> Semitic loans among the roots showing the *s mobile (preferably a
> significant percentage of them). I gather you assume that the
original
> causative value of the initial *s- was not recognised by the Indo-
Europeans,
> which immunises your suggestion against semantic verification.


I took all the PIE roots (but I'm not even a third finished) with s-
mobile in
Mark R. V. Southern
Sub-Grammatical Survival:
Indo-European s-mobile and its
Regeneration in Germanic

and tried to match them (in the following lines, marked IE and Sem
etc) with the common IE-Semitic roots in

Hermann Møller
Indoeuropæisk-semitisk Sammenlignende Glossarium

As you can see, the overwhelming majority of Southern's s-mobile
roots have a match in Semitic. That vindicates in my opinion Møller's
idea (which the Møller-hater Glen is trying to sell as his own) that
IE s-mobile originates in the Semitic causative s-preformative.

1
1.1 *(s)k-

a *(s)ker cut; skin, bark
IE *k^-r- cut
Sem n-s^-r saw through

b *(s)kend- shine
IE k-nd- shine
Sem X-m-t.- Assyrian "feurig flammend"

c *(s)k[h2]eng- limp
k^-ng- limp
IE k^nk- hang; hesitate, worry
Sem s^´-n-k.- tie, hang

d *(s)kerh2-d- jump, hurry
IE k^r-t- frighten
Sem s^´-r-d- flee, be drdiven away

e *(s)keh2i-t/d- bright
IE k-yt- bright
Sem (n-)g-h- shine
gahara Arab. it was apparent

f *(s)ke[h2]y-s- clean
none

g *(s)kew- [~h2ew-] look, watch, priest
none

h *(s)klew-t/d- close
IE kW-l- contain
IE kla:- close
Sem k-l-A- lock up, hinder

i *(s)kewn- puppy
IE k^wo:-, k^wo:n- dog
Sem z´.-p-y- hyaena

j *(s)k-r.t-, *(s)k-r.t- dung
IE t-r-(k^/X-)
by metathesis kr-t- ?
Arabic Darak.a "stercus excrevit avis"


1.2 *(s)k^-

a *(s)k^e[h2]y-p- post, stick, penis
none

b *s)k^ewp- shoulder(blade)
IE k-wb- hollow before hip on animals
Sem g-w-
ge:w Hebr back (of person)
g-w-b make a hole
g-w-s^- man's breast


1.3 *(s)kW-

a*(s)kWer- make, create
none

b */s)kWal-o large fish
none


1.4 *(s)t-

a *(s)tenh2- thunder, moan
IE thunder, moan
Sem t-n-m- tingle
Sem dh-n- sound
with w-infix or w-preformative + metathesis
IE dhw-n sound
Sem t.-n-
t.-n-n- hum, buzz

b *(s)tewd- hit
IE t-w- hit
Sem d-p-
single redupl d-p-p- beat

c *(s)teh2 thief
none

d *(s)teh2- stand
none

e (s)teyg- prick
none

f *(s)t[h2]eg- cover
IE t-g- cover
Sem d-g-
single redupl. d-g-g- cover

g *(s)ter-, *(s)h2ter- is actually *h2s-ter-

h *(s)teygh-
none

i *(s)trenk- strong, strict
IE st(h)-rg^-
Sem t-r-s.- firm, robust

j (s)terh2- trunk
none

k *(s)trel- whirl
IE t-r- whirl
Sem t-t- shake
Sem t-r-r- crush


1.5 *(s)p-

a *(s)pek^- look
?
IE sphe:- be good
Sem p-A-
Sem p-A-l- omen

b *(s)pen- toil, strain, hang, weigh, stretch
pendeo hang
?
IE bh-ndh- bind
Sem b-n-t.-
Hebr 'a-Bne:t Gürtel der Priester
metathesis
Sem t.-n-b stretch tent ropes

c *(s)ph2oym/n- foam
pu:mex pumice
?
*k-y-P.-
transposition
*P.-y-k-
IE bhong fungus
Sem k.-y-b-
Arab k.aybaluN fungi genus

d *(s)ping finch
none

e *(s)pern- wing
IE p-r-
Sem p-r-H- fly
IE p-rn- wing

f *(s)pey[H]-k- peck
IE sph-y- cleave
Sem p-A-y- cleave

g *(s)prengh- press
IE sp(h)r-g^h- burst forst
Sem bElas. sprout


2


3


3.1 *(s)kh-

a *(s)kh2e[n]d- smash, splinter
IE skh-d spread, scatter
Sem k-t--l cut into small pieces

b *(s)k^[h2]eHy-d/t- furrow, split
as above

c *(s)gWhel- crookedness
none


3.2 *(s)th-


3.3 *(s)ph-

a *(s)bherh2g-, *(s)ph2erh2g- break, sprout
IE bhr-g- break
Assyr para:s.u break forth

b (s)bherH-, *(s)ph2erH jerk
from bh-r-

c *(s)ph2ey- spoon
IE sph-y- split
Sem p-A-y split

d *(s)ph2el- split
IE p-l- split
Sem p-l-l- break forth

e *(s)ph2el- sparkle
IE bh-l- shine
Sem b-r-r- shine

f *(s)ph2yeHw- spit
see sponge

etc


Torsten