[tied] Re: Dacian - /H/ -> seems possible

From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 28107
Date: 2003-12-07

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:34:45 +0000, Abdullah Konushevci
> <a_konushevci@...> wrote:
> >According to Piotr and to you the sound changes in question are
> >Roman and would have affected any word borrowed during the early
> >Middle Ages. I claim, like in the case of PIE *wed-, indeed of its
> >suffixed o-grade *wodo:r- that this phenonmenon trace its origin
> >in Illyrian place names: Ia-dera > Sl. Zadar, Alb. Zarë, Be-deri-
> >also Illyrian place name, through aphaeresis of unstressed
syllable *
> >(wo)do:r- showing that as Illyrian, as Albanian treat long /*o:/
> >> /e/.
> Now this example is very different. If the morpheme der- is
Illyrian, and
> means water, and derives from *wodó:r (*udó:r), then that might be
> significant.
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...
Among the Dardanians of Europe who live beyond the boundaries of the
Epidmanians, close to the fortress which is called Bederiana, there
was a hamlet named Taurisium, whence sprang the Emperor Justinian,
the founder of the civilised world. He therefore built a wall of
small compass about this place in the form of a square, placing a
tower at each corner, and caused it to be called, as it actually is,
Tetrapyrgia. And close by this place he built a very notable city
which he named Justiniana Prima (this means "first" in the Latin
tongue), thus paying a debt of gratitude to the home that fostered
him. Yet all Romans should have shared this debt among themselves,
for this land nourished a common saviour for all of them. In that
place also he constructed an aqueduct and so caused the city to be
abundantly supplied with ever-running WATER.
I guess, taking into account the paragraph above from "De Aedeficis"
by Procopius, that first part BE- of city name BE-DERI-ANA is PIE *b
(h)e- `without' (cf. Slavic <bez> `without' <*b(h)eg^h, Old
Persian /bhe/ `id.' New Persian /bi-/ `id.'. So, we may say that its
meaning is "City without a water, river'.