Re: Dacian - /H/ -> seems possible

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:16:03 +0000, Abdullah Konushevci
> <a_konushevci@...> wrote:
>
> >I claim, based in facts, that in Albanian is common, to not say,
> >proverbial, aphaeresis of unstressed vowels at the beginning of

the

> >words and I based it in many examples:
> >
> >Lat. amicu > Alb. mik `friend',
> >Lat. Apriles > Alb. prill,
> >Lat. Augustus > Alb. gusht `august',
> >Lat. avunculs > ungj `uncle'
> >Greek anaphora > naforë `communion bread', etc.
>
> Summarizing what you said, you want to add the following entry to

this

> list:
>
> Illyr. Avlona > Alb. Vlonë/Vlorë
>
> >And which are your linguistic objections?
>
> If Avlona > Vlorë proves that Albanian descends from Illyrian, then

amicu >

> mik "proves" that Albanian is descended from Latin...
>
> As Piotr said: "So far, you've only given us an alphabetic
> list of ancient "Illyrian" placenames, showing that their

phonological

> form has been transformed by Albanian sound changes. Well, that's

what

> we should expect anyway, since the sound changes in question are
> post-Roman and would have affected any word borrowed during the

early

> Middle Ages."
>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...

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According to Piotr and to you the sound changes in question are post-
Roman and would have affected any word borrowed during the early
Middle Ages. I claim, like in the case of PIE *wed-, indeed of its
suffixed o-grade *wodo:r- that this phenonmenon trace its origin also
in Illyrian place names: Ia-dera > Sl. Zadar, Alb. Zarë, Be-deri-ana,
also Illyrian place name, through aphaeresis of unstressed syllable *
(wo)do:r- showing that as Illyrian, as Albanian treat long /*o:/

> /e/. Even my district where I have born has a name Posderka < pas-

der-ka 'after the river', probably through Slavic filter /a/>/o/.

Konushevci