Re: Dacian - /H/ -> seems not possible

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> Hello Mr. Iacomi,
> a) I want to ask you where you found Haprus for Dacian plant.
> (<lat. apricus)
>
> I have only a german version of Dioskurides where is

marked :

> Dakier Aprus.
> Could you give me an url where Haprus appears?
>
> b) Could we imagine that the Dacian had /H/ ?...I don't think

so.

> Despite some plant names at Dioskurides (in fact I found

only

> one : Hormia ) there is no other dacian toponym that contains /H/.
> Also romanian loans from latin don't have /H/ either (this
> logic is based on the supposition (-> need to be proved) that the
> romanian substratum is a dacian one).
>
> c) We only have romanian "hameS" (h~amesit) 'hungry' related to
> albanian 'hame:s' (whitout /sh/ ?!).
>
> d) Could everybody tell me if the latin loans in albanian
> contain /H/ ? Or albanian 'inherited' words?
>
> Best Regards,
> marius a.

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Albanian /h/ may have different origin. It was grosso modo accepted
that in inherited words PIE *sk- yields in Alb. /h/: *skeud- 'to
throw' > hedh 'id.', PIE *osk- > Alb. ah 'beech', PIE *ghse:n- >
Alb. i huej/ i huaj 'stranger'; in all inchoative verbs: PIE *gne:sco

> njoh 'to know', PIE *gWre:sco > n-groh 'to warm', etc. But,

Alb. /h/ could be also at the beginning of the words: PIE *ort-
'winestock' > Alb. hardhi (*or > har), PIE *org^hi- >
herdhe 'testicle' < hardhi and Lat. arcus > hark 'bow'.
So, Hormia in Dacian for me is quite acceptable.

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