[tied] Re: -m (-n)?

From: tgpedersen
Message: 27521
Date: 2003-11-24

The root *sab`-, the masculine *-at-, and the mimative *-m
> are all Semitic morphemes but non-existent in IE.

Meaning that *sab`- Semitic means something other than "seven"? Maybe
I haven't been paying attention.

>
>
> >As a clue: subtract the -n/-m and get *new- ("9" is sometimes
derived
> >from PIE *new- "new", and *dek-, close enough to Ruhlen's "hand,
> >foot" word, also represented in IE.
>
> It is only assumptive that *dekm derives from *dek-. That root also
> doesn't exist in Semitic, so it would be impossible for it to be
mimated
> unless the intermediary language was an IE-Semitic creole. Perhaps
> this is your theory. Creoles develop from pidgins, which are trading
> languages... Indeed the neolithic was full of trade. In order to
> support this idea, further data must bear this out.

Yes, I get good ideas sometimes, don't you think?

>
> However, *neun can be explained in IE terms without the need for
> Semitic or some hypothesized creole. It appears to derive from *neu-
> plus the inanimate *-n (an alternative of the heteroclitic ending *-
r).
>
> So your entire idea is based on a single etymon.
>

I still think it's odd three numbers of the first decade end in a
nasal (once you get rid of the -t-).

Torsten