Re: [tied] Sounds Rough (was: -kt-)

At 4:30:10 PM on Tuesday, November 18, 2003, Richard
Wordingham wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> <BMScott@...> wrote:

>> There are at least three unrelated English words <ruff>,
>> none of which has anything to do with <raufen> or
>> <rough>;

> Of the Oxford Etymological Dictionary's 4 words "ruff" -
> A. The fish.
> B. The article of neckwear.
> C. Trumping etc. at cards.
> D. The bird (male sandpiper to be precise).

> it says:
> (A) is 'probably' derived from "rough".
> (B) 'possibly' derives from "rough".
> (C) derives from Old French _roffle_, _roufle_
> (D) is a transferred use of (B).

I was thinking of the first three and relying on the
etymologies in AHD. AHD tentatively relates (B) to
<ruffle>, which does not appear to be related to <rough>.
It relates (C) eventually to Latin <infla:re:> and (A)
probably to med.Lat. <rufus> 'a kind of fish'.

Brian